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Why “Pious Fraud” Ticks Off Everyone (Part 2 of 9)

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In Joseph Smith’s History, it says his name will be known for good and evil, and that is certainly the case. Historian Dan Vogel believes Joseph was a pious fraud. What does that mean exactly? And how does it anger both critics of the Church, as well as supporters?

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Dan:  I’m trying to find, as a non-believer now, the most charitable view of Joseph Smith a non-believer can have. So if you’re not going to believe Joseph Smith’s revelations, and that he had actual contact with God–this is the same question you have with any religious tradition. How do you view Joseph Smith and be a non-believer? Do you just think, “Oh, he’s just lying, and the whole thing’s a fraud, and he’s just a con man trying to get money?” [This is] what a lot of extreme critics of Joseph Smith say, “He’s trying to get power, money, sex.”

And I say, “I don’t believe that.” I believe that he used deception. If you don’t believe the Book of Mormon is actual history, but it could be inspired by Joseph Smith’s definition of what is inspired, then you have to believe that he used a little deception to sell that revelation that he had a revelation. It’s inspired, but he has to sell it to other people, to make it as hard for them to reject his revelation as possible, right?

Because he learned how to do that as a treasure digger, and he’s using this skill to build confidence to make people believe his revelations. So I see Joseph Smith as an inspired pseudepigraphist, like the Assumption of Moses, the Ascension of Isaiah, the Book of Enoch, these are pseudepigraphic works, written by anonymous people trying to smuggle new doctrines into the Christian tradition, by writing in the name of the dead Prophet. These are writings that are supposedly lost and rediscovered. So I believe Joseph was doing a similar thing with the Book of Mormon. He’s writing pseudepigrapha. But he believes he’s inspired. He knows there’s no Lehi and Nephi and all that stuff. But he believes that this is the method of teaching true doctrine. Like he said, “You can get closer to God through the Book of Mormon than any other book.” He really believes that, and he’s trying to correct false doctrine. He’s combating the deists, the non-believers in his day. He’s trying to shore up the Bible, which is being criticized by deists and skeptics of his day, because [of] problems that they see in the Bible or incompleteness and their sectarian strife over what the Bible says. He’s trying to calm that down. He’s trying to make people believe that otherwise may not believe. But he’s also trying to garner for himself power to found a new Jerusalem government.

Just a reminder.  I know that this is a controversial topic.  I am trying to approach this from an academic point of view, rather than embrace polemics.  Comments that are too critical of Joseph Smith, or bear testimony/quote scripture will not be approved.  Please keep the emotions in check as you comment, but I hope you will check out our conversation…. and don’t forget to check out our previous conversation!

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One Response

  1. Omar Imady says:
    June 24, 2019 at 2:48 am

    The most beautiful combination, the gentle and profoundly tolerant believer (Rick Bennett), with the articulate and persuasive philosopher/historian (Dan Vogel). The “pious fraud” approach has fascinating implications that go way beyond explaining the story of Joseph Smith.

    I truly enjoyed this, and it was very helpful as research for my second novel, Mormon Coffee & Sufi & Tea.

    Thank you!
    Omar Imady

  • Date: June 16, 2019
  • Guest: Dan Vogel
  • First Vision
  • Historical Mentions Mormon History
  • Tags: GT Podcast, iTunes, pious fraud
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