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The Adam-God Doctrine is probably my most requested topic here at Gospel Tangents.  I admit I am not an expert on this topic, so I sat down with 2 members of Christ’s Church to learn more about this early Mormon doctrine.  David Patrick is an apostle and Benjamin Shaffer is a Seventy.  Think of this as your Adam-God 101 episode.

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GT:  I believe that it was Bruce R. McConkie that called Adam-God doctrine, “a heresy.” And I also believe that even back to Orson Pratt [it was disputed.] Orson and Brigham had a big dispute over [Adam-God doctrine], and Brigham supported it and Orson did not. I do want to preface that before because I want to I want to make sure people understand that.

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David:  Joseph Smith introduces this idea, wow! We can become gods. And so that means there’s a plurality of gods. But we only have one God that we have to deal with on this earth.

GT:  So the question from a Christian point of view is now your polytheistic. Right?

David:  Right.

Benjamin:  More or less. I’m not gonna shy away too much from that idea. I mean, okay, maybe we’re a little bit polytheistic. But we view our monotheism, I guess, as looking at the oneness of God, the unity of God.

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GT:  And so the Adam-God doctrine is basically this. Adam was once a man just like us. He made his calling and election sure. He gained his exaltation. And then he became a god. And now it was time to people on earth. So he had spiritual children in his spirit world. And now it was time to people the earth but none of his spirit children had bodies. So he and his wife or wives came down to the earth to people it. Now he had to answer to his God. And his God was his connection in the priesthood. And he told him, “Of the garden, thou may eat of all these fruits but not of this tree.” And so there were still rules of the universe to follow. And once those rules were transgressed, then change would occur. And this is what Brigham Young had placed in the temple ordinance so people could understand the mysteries of godliness; how Adam came to be; how the children came to be. Because he said basically, once they partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then their bodies were changed. It became more temporal. And they were now able to have children. And then those children are now the human race. It’s kind of that simple. But there’s much more to it than that.

GT:  So let me make sure I’m understanding that. This is my rudimentary understanding of the Adam-God doctrine. What we’re saying is the Adam is God. Is that a correct statement?

Benjamin:  Yes. But I think that doctrinally, why this is important is a fairly foundational idea. Are we the children of God? And this lecture at the veil for example, was this explanatory portion of the endowment. So that people would understand the meaning of the ceremony itself.

Now I admit there is a lot of doctrine people would find agreement in what was said, but there is also a disagreement as to whether Adam is God.  What are your thoughts about this topic?

Of course, we’ve only scratched the surface, and I’ve left a lot of our conversation out, so be sure to check out our conversation!

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David Patrick & Benjamin Shaffer of Christ’s Church discuss their beliefs about the Adam-God Doctrine, which is definitely very different that the Trinity.

Don’t miss our previous conversations with David and Benjamin to learn more about their church, which is called Christ’s Church.

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  • Guest: Ben Shaffer, Benjamin Shaffer, David Patrick
  • Denomination: Christ's Church
  • Theology: Adam-God Theory, Mormon Scripture, Theology
  • Historical Mentions Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, Mormon History
  • Tags: Adam-God controversy, Adam-God Doctrine, Ben Shaffer, Benjamin Shaffer, Brigham Young, Christ’s Church, Church History, David Patrick, disputed doctrine, GT Podcast, iTunes, Joseph Smith, LDS, LDS Church, monotheism, Mormon, polygamy, polytheism, The Branch, The Righteous Branch

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  • Date: March 26, 2020
  • Guest: Ben Shaffer, Benjamin Shaffer, David Patrick
  • Denomination: Christ's Church
  • Theology: Adam-God Theory, Mormon Scripture, Theology
  • Historical Mentions Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, Mormon History
  • Tags: Adam-God controversy, Adam-God Doctrine, Ben Shaffer, Benjamin Shaffer, Brigham Young, Christ’s Church, Church History, David Patrick, disputed doctrine, GT Podcast, iTunes, Joseph Smith, LDS, LDS Church, monotheism, Mormon, polygamy, polytheism, The Branch, The Righteous Branch
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