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Uniquely Mormon Marriage Theology (Part 5 of 6)

Mormons have a unique theology concerning marriage.  Doctrine & Covenants 132 is a revelation to Joseph Smith stating a man can have multiple wives.  On the other hand, the Book of Mormon states that a man should have just one wife. Polygamy expert Anne Wilde and Christ’s Church apostle David Patrick will talk about these scriptures and more fully explain their beliefs that polygamy is a celestial principle.

David:  The very next Section is section 131. And it reads verse one, “In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees. And in order to obtain the highest A man must enter into the order of the priesthood meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. And if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into another, but that is the end of his kingdom. He cannot have in an increase.” So, there’s a law, you live the law, you get the blessing. What is the blessing the celestial kingdom? One of the rules is you’ve got to be married. And so, Mormon doctrine in itself basically says an unmarried Jesus wouldn’t make it into the Celestial Kingdom.

Do you think Jesus was required to be married?  Check out our conversation….

David Patrick explains Mormon theology requires Jesus to be married in order to get into the Celestial Kingdom. Do you agree?

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344:  “There is No Marriage in Heaven”

343:  Evangelical Arguments about Marriage in Heaven

342: Was Jesus the Groom at Wedding at Cana?

341: Making the Case that Jesus Was Married

 

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“There is No Marriage in Heaven” (Part 4 of 6)

I’m still trying to channel my inner-evangelical as we continue our conversation with David Patrick, an apostle of Christ’s Church, and polygamy expert Anne Wilde.  In 1 Corinthians it says it is better to marry than to burn, and Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven.  How do they handle those scriptures?

GT:  Paul says you should remain celibate even as I am. But if you can’t contain, okay, go ahead and get married. You know, because it’s better to marry than to burn. I mean, that doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement of marriage.

David:  Well, Paul was married.

Anne: Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

David: Yeah. And so, that’s the only that’s the only real scripture that they can hang on to call for celibacy, I guess.

It should be noted that Christ’s Church has a temple in southern Utah, and they do proxy temple work for their kindred dead, just like LDS do.  Check out our conversation…

Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. How do polygamy experts David Patrick & Anne Wilde deal with that scripture?

 

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Evangelical Arguments about Marriage in Heaven (Part 3 of 6)

While modern novels like the DaVinci Code make the case that Jesus was married.  I asked what might have happened to the family of Jesus.

Anne:  Joseph of Arimathea, who was the great uncle of Christ, the uncle of his mother Mary, took his immediate family, which could include his mother. It definitely included her and any wives or children that he might have had. He took the immediate family. And that’s where you get these stories of them taking a boat, and some say it was even set adrift without oars. But the other one was it Joseph of Arimathea was going to protect and save this family. So he took him to England, on the way he went through other countries. So that would explain the answer to your question. They were not around. They were being protected.

David: There are legends that Christ was in other places.

GT: We have The Da Vinci Code.

David: Right.

Anne:Yeah.

GT:  Did he go to France?

Anne: Yes, it was Gaul at the time. And yes, he definitely went there.

However, most Christians balk at the idea that Jesus was married, and even fewer accept the Da Vinci Code novel.  I’m going to channel my inner evangelical and try to push back on this idea that Jesus was married.  Apostle David Patrick from Christ’s Church, and polygamy expert Anne Wilde will respond to arguments questioning why we should even consider Jesus to be married.   We will also talk about modern scholarship that has uncovered the Gospel of Jesus’ Wife! 

David:  In 2012 Karen King, she is a very high ranking scholar at Harvard Divinity School, and she ends up receiving this papyrus. And the person who owns it wanted to remain anonymous. But he said, you should review this and go through it and so she presents this in Rome, among her peers. And she they call it the Gospel of Jesus’ Wife. And so it’s this little papyrus about this big [about the size of a credit card.]

Let me read the words that they found in it so that I get it exactly right. It says, “Jesus said to them, my wife.” And then the next line says, “she will be able to be my disciple.” And so they get this and it’s like the first time anybody has any discussion about Jesus being actually married, and uses the word wife. And when they did the research on this, of course, right after she comes out with this, some of the Vatican newspapers come out and say, “Well, it must be a fake. It must be a forgery.” It must be inaccurate, right? So they did all their tests upon the papyrus that they found to determine if it was forged or not. And of course, the person that gave it to him want to remain anonymous, so that’s suspicious. And so the provenance or the origin story is pretty weak on where this came from. But they tested it, and it doesn’t appear to be inaccurate. And the papyrus appears to be from about 700 to 800 A.D. So it’s old.

GT: So it’s at least 700 years after Jesus lived, though.

David:  That’s right. So it was it wouldn’t have been contemporary with his his time, but it shows is people were talking about it. And that’s interesting. Conclusive? No. Interesting? Yes.

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The Da Vinci Code claims the family of Jesus moved to France. What do David Patrick and Anne Wilde think of that?

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