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Fundamentalists and Cutlerites (Part 5 of 8)

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In this episode, Steve Shields and I discuss some of the larger and smaller Mormon groups: fundamentalists and Cutlerites. Many of these fundamentalists practice polygamy.

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Steve:  The FLDS has 8,000 to 10,000. The Apostolic United Brethren and has 8,000 to 10,000, somewhere in that range. Those are the two largest organized groups, organized structural institutions. I’ve heard numbers of 50 or 60,000 fundamentalist Mormons all told. There’s either some smaller, like the Centennial Park–I don’t want to call them a group because the Centennial Park priesthood affiliation, maybe as a way to talk about those. You’ve got Naylor and Nielsen. You’ve got the guy up in British Columbia, Winston Blackmore. He’s actually incorporated as the Church of Jesus Christ (Original Doctrine). That’s their corporate filing in Canada. He’s got 500 or so. Nielson and Naylor and Blackmore have been kind of doing some, they’ve not merged per se, but some cross affiliation because Nielsen and Naylor’s problem with the Jeffs family was very similar with Winston’s. So frankly, in all of the fundamentalist Mormons, there’s very little doctrinal difference, if any at all. It has to do with priesthood authority. Who has the legitimate line?

GT: I talked with Anne Wilde and one things that she said was really the largest group are what she would call independent or unaffiliated.

Steve: That’s right. Most of them are unaffiliated but they do fellowship with each other. You’ve got a large following: Fred Collier, Tom Green and others who believe in what they called the patriarchal order. Every father is a patriarch over his own family and has full authority to ordain his children, the male children.

We’ll also discuss the only other Mormon group that has an endowment ceremony in the temple.  They are sometimes referred to as the Cutlerites, named after Alpheus Cutler.

Steve: Alpheus Cutler’s church has always been small, and they do not proselytize. They don’t believe in that. Alpheus Cutler is said to have been given a revelation that in the last days there will only be two and from that small branch, God will redeem Zion. So, they don’t worry too much about that. They’re getting older.

GT: They’re the ones who still have a temple ceremony. Is that right?

Steve: Yes, they do. The upper room work is conducted in their building in Independence. I’ll say on a regular basis. That doesn’t mean every day or every week necessarily. I don’t know any more about it than that. Nobody does except them and I respect that. I’m very curious, of course.

How big are they?  Check out our conversation….

Steve Shields discusses Mormon polygamists and Cutlerites, the only other Mormon group with a temple endowment ceremony.
Steve Shields discusses Mormon polygamists and Cutlerites, the only other Mormon group with a temple endowment ceremony.

Check out our other conversations with Steve!

227: Conspiracy Theories:  William Smith, Samuel Smith, James Strang(Shields)

226: Sidney’s Unsung Role in Restoration (Shields)

225: Steve’s Shields Own Divergent Path

224: Who Owns the Temple Lot? (Shields)

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Get more information on the people and things discussed in this episode:

  • Guest: Steve Shields
  • Denomination: Apostolic United Brethren, Centennial Park, Cutlerites, FLDS
  • Theology: Polygamy
  • Historical Mentions Alpheus Cutler, Mormon History
  • Tags: Alpheus Cutler, Centennial Park, FLDS, GT Podcast, iTunes, Mormon schisms, polygamist groups

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5 Responses

  1. Scott says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    I’m trying to find parts 1-4

  2. RickB says:
    January 18, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    They are listed on my episodes page, but here it is again.

    Part 1: https://gospeltangents.com/2018/12/06/who-owns-temple-lot-missouri/
    Part 2: https://gospeltangents.com/steves-own-divergent-path/
    Part 3: https://gospeltangents.com/2018/12/sidneys-unsung-role-restoration/
    Part 4: https://gospeltangents.com/2018/12/conspiracy-theories-sam-smith-william-smith-james-strang/

  3. RickB says:
    January 18, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    If you want to see the entire interview uncut, subscribe at our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/Gospeltangents/posts

  4. Patricia Jobe says:
    July 13, 2019 at 9:26 am

    This is NOT a photograph of Alpheus Cutler. I have a much clearer copy and it’s taken circa 1850 when Alpheus was in his mid 60s. This is of a much younger man. I’ve always wondered if it was one of his sons. If you’d like the better copy, let me know.

  5. RickB says:
    July 14, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    Sure, I’d love a photo of Alpheus Cutler!

  • Date: January 17, 2019
  • Guest: Steve Shields
  • Denomination: Apostolic United Brethren, Centennial Park, Cutlerites, FLDS
  • Theology: Polygamy
  • Historical Mentions Alpheus Cutler, Mormon History
  • Tags: Alpheus Cutler, Centennial Park, FLDS, GT Podcast, iTunes, Mormon schisms, polygamist groups
  • Posted By: RickB

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