Skip to content
  • Give me access to SECRET EPISODES
  • Episodes
  • Watch
  • Listen
  • Subscribe
  • Episodes
  • Watch
  • Listen
  • Subscribe
  • Give me access to SECRET EPISODES
PrevPrevious EpisodeJohn D. Lee’s Role in Massacre (Part 5 of 9)
Next ExpisodeTrials of Lee/ForgeryNext

MMM Cover Up

Table of Contents: MMM Cover Up

Click to Support
Gospel Tangents

It took 18 years to start the first trial of John D. Lee for the atrocities at Mountain Meadows.  Why did it take so long?  Historian Will Bagley believes LDS Church leaders covered up the crime.  How does he come to that conclusion?

YouTube player

Will:  But, what I’m saying is that the event that Wilford Woodruff records is staged, and in Lee’s account, which is of course untrustworthy, Brigham Young tells him, “Don’t even tell Heber about this,” which is a tribute to Heber C. Kimball. But we’re now dealing with the cover up, which begins in 1857, and for my money is still going on.

…

Will:  But there’s so much of the cover up that I find despicable. For instance, the “investigations.” We have detailed accounts of the conspiracy that was mounted against Mormon leaders to deceive them. These are absurd notions. Who does Brigham Young send down to Southern Utah to investigate what caused the Mountain Meadow’s Massacre? George A. Smith! What better guy!  It would be like send Dick Cheney to investigate what happened in Iraq.

But they actually visit the Meadows and they come up with a likely scapegoat, because at the end of one of Smith’s letters, he says, “And we don’t really know what John D. Lee was up to, but he seems to have been involved in this somehow.” So they already know who they’re going to eventually hang it on. And why did they pick John D. Lee? Because the other two guys are untouchable. The other two guys, senior officers are William Dame and Isaac Haight. Now in the church’s tale, they say, “Well, once Brigham Young realized what was happening in 1870, he excommunicated the main murderers.” No, he didn’t. He didn’t excommunicate Dame. He did excommunicate Haight.

Do you agree there was a cover up?  Check out our conversation….

cover up - MMM Cover Up - Mormon History Podcast
Will Bagley describes the cover up on the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Don’t miss our other conversations with Will!

448: John D. Lee’s Role in Massacre

447: Bagley Critiques Turley

446: Buchanan & George Smith’s Role in MMM

445: Handcart Disasters & Mormon Reformation

444: Will Bagleyon Juanita Brooks

Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 17:39 — 16.3MB) | Embed

Subscribe: Email | RSS | More

Love this? Donate or Subscribe

Do you love the friendly, non-bashing interviews about Mormonism here on Gospel Tangents? 
Please show your support for Gospel Tangents by becoming a donor or subscriber:

Make me a Donor
Make me a Subscriber
No related products found.

More Podcasts with these Guests:

  • Remembering Will Bagley (Part 5 of 5)
  • *Bear River Massacre (Part 9 of 9)
  • Kingdom of the West (Part 8 of 9)
  • Trials of Lee/Forgery
  • John D. Lee’s Role in Massacre (Part 5 of 9)

Get more information on the people and things discussed in this episode:

  • Guest: Will Bagley
  • Mormon violence, Mormons & Crime, Mountain Meadows Massacre
  • Historical Mentions Mormon History
  • Tags: Church History, GT Podcast, iTunes, MMM Cover Up, murder

Tell me when the next episode drops!

PrevPrevious EpisodeJohn D. Lee’s Role in Massacre (Part 5 of 9)
Next ExpisodeTrials of Lee/ForgeryNext

One Response

  1. Steven Mayfield says:
    October 11, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    Rick Thanks for showing my photo! BTW the two gentlemen in the photo are Allen Malmquist (National Park Service Page Arizona ) and George Throckmorton

  • Date: October 10, 2020
  • Guest: Will Bagley
  • Mormon violence, Mormons & Crime, Mountain Meadows Massacre
  • Historical Mentions Mormon History
  • Tags: Church History, GT Podcast, iTunes, MMM Cover Up, murder
  • Posted By: RickB

Subscribe

I passed my class! Please help support Gospel Tangents and subscribe to the podcast!

Rick Bennett, Host

Rick Bennett is the friendly host of Gospel Tangents LDS Podcast: The Best Source for Mormon History, Science, and Theology. Book Rick for your fireside or conference.

More Interviews

  • Ben Spackman
  • David Ostler
  • Denver Snuffer
  • Lachlan McKay
  • Lindsay Hansen Park
  • Margaret Toscano
  • Richard Bushman
  • Sally Gordon
  • Terryl Givens
  • Ugo Perego...
View all 100+ Interviewees

Proud to be an Amazon Associate

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

Subscribe

Go ad-free, get written transcripts, and talk to Rick one-on-one!
Stop Seeing Ads

Rick Bennett, Host of Gospel Tangents

Rick Bennett is the friendly, independent historian at the heart of Gospel Tangents LDS Podcast: The Best Source for Mormon History, Science, and Theology. When he isn't interviewing Mormon scholars, prophets, and others, he is teaching math and statistics at Utah Valley University. He also freelances as a research biostatistician in the fields of Dermatology and Traumatic Brian Injuries, as well as in the network television/cable T.V. industries as a sports statistician. Rick holds a Master of Statistics Degree from the University of Utah.

Contact Rick
Book Rick for your Event
Podcast Episodes
0 +
People Interviewed
0 +
  • Home
  • About
  • Episodes
  • Subscribe
  • Fan Shop
  • Book Rick
  • Contact Us
  • Home
  • About
  • Episodes
  • Subscribe
  • Fan Shop
  • Book Rick
  • Contact Us
Copyright 2025, Gospel Tangents. All Rights Reserved.