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Mark’s Trial, Dorie’s 5-Minute Divorce (Part 6)

Dorie Olds tells her recollections of the preliminary trial, Mark’s plea bargain, and her 5-minute divorce to bomber Mark Hofmann.  It’s a fascinating conclusion to our conversation with Dorie.

GT: And then the plea bargain comes I guess. What did you think?

Dorie: The plea bargain. He was telling his dad. He was telling me, and he was telling his dad “I’m innocent, I’m innocent, I’m innocent.”

And, his dad’s like, “Why are you going to plead guilty to this if you’re innocent? You don’t plead guilty.”

And I’m going, “What is it?” Same thing. “What is it you’re doing?”

And he told both of us a story, which didn’t make sense to me, but i was like, “I don’t understand this. I don’t understand it. I can do nothing.” I could never make him do anything. And that’s the truth. I could never make him do anything. So, again, I [had this] out of control, powerless feeling with him.

And so what he told his dad and I, what he said was, “There’s a reason why I’m doing this. It’s going to protect you and the kids from being killed.” That’s what he said. I don’t know. See, it’s dramatic enough that it’s like, okay. “But I can’t talk about it. I can’t tell you. I can’t.” See. It’s another big story, you know? “But I’m innocent. But I’m going to plead guilty. But I’m doing it to protect my thing. I’m a such a good guy. I’m doing it to protect my family.” That’s the story. So yeah. So that’s what he said.

Check out our conversation…  Don’t forget to check out our previous conversations with Dorie!

Dorie Olds tells about Mark Hofmann's preliminary trial, and her 5-minute divorce from him.
Dorie Olds tells about Mark Hofmann’s preliminary trial, and her 5-minute divorce from him.

216: “You May Be in Danger” (Olds)

215: Was Dorie Blamed for the Bombings? (Olds)

214: “Be Grateful for Adversity” (Olds)

213: Gaslighted by Mark (Olds)

212: Finding Mark’s First Forgery (Olds)

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Hofmann’s Anthon Forgery (Part 1)

I’m really excited to introduce Dorie Olds.  You may know her more famous ex-husband, Mark Hofmann, the famous forger/murderer.  In this first episode we’ll talk about how Mark manipulated her in Hofmann’s Anthon forgery.  Check out our conversation!

Dorie: And he brought a book. He brought a Bible and he said to me, “Well look in this Bible.” And it’s like, “Here, look through this,” or “Look through this thing.”

And I remember thinking, “Well, I’m tired. I’m back home from work. I’m tired. I don’t really want to do that.” And I kind of put it aside. And, I remember having this funny feeling. Why do you want me to do this? Because it was like he was really insistent.

“Will you look through this?”

And so I did look through this and there in the pages was a thing that was stuck. Part of me was like, “Wow, there’s something in here.” And part of me was like, “I have a funny feeling about this. Something’s going on that I don’t understand,” in the process of that. I went to him and said, “There’s something stuck in here.”

And he’s like, “Oh, what a surprise! I wonder what that is!” You know? And of course, he’d set that up so that he’d put it in there so I would find it. I would be the provenance. It wouldn’t be him. It would be something that could be documented that in a way he had nothing to do with it because he didn’t find it. I found it, and he had just handed me this book. So that’s the story of how that [came about.] It was the Anthon Transcript and those symbols that were in there. That was glued inside. And then he took them out and he took it from there. And I was the provenance for that. I was his. He was using me to be the provenance of that story.

I also asked how Dorie met Mark?

Dorie: I was attending Utah State University. I had gone to Dixie College for two years. And then moved up to Logan and was going to do two more years there. And in the apartment complex where I lived, he lived upstairs. So I was on the second level, I think he was on third level. And so that’s how I got to know him was he lived in the same apartment complex.

GT: Ok, you didn’t have any same classes together or anything like that?

Dorie: No, I didn’t have any classes together. I didn’t know this initially, but he had broken up with his [girlfriend.] He had gotten engaged and had broken up right before school started with this woman that he was engaged to and she would come up and they would sit in, I think it was her car, sit in her car and make out and I’d watch them make out.

GT: Really?

Dorie: So, I don’t know. It wasn’t anything that was impressed. That was the first thing was, who’s that guy and what are they doing? And how ridiculous. And you know, it wasn’t any like love at first sight. No! Or to be together. It was none of that. That took time to go to that place.

GT: So he broke up with this other woman, and then you started dating? Is there any memorable dates?

Check out her answers!  You may also be interested to hear Curt Bench’s recollections of Mark Hofmann!

Dorie Olds tells how Mark used her to add credibility to Hofmann's Anthon forgery.
Dorie Olds tells how Mark used her to add credibility to Hofmann’s Anthon forgery.

042: Hofmann Bombings Effects on Mormon History (Bench)

041: Should LDS Leaders have Detected Hofmann’s Fraud? (Bench)

040: Curt Bench’s role in Hofmann Bombings Court Case (Bench)

039: Bomb Day 2:  Other Targets? – Oct 16, 1985 (Bench)

038: Bomb Day 1:  2 Killed – October 15, 1985 (Bench)

037: White Salamander Letter & Other Forgeries (Bench)

036: Bombs in Salt Lake: Introduction to Mark Hofmann (interview with Curt Bench)

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Buying the Spalding Conspiracy

Mark Hofmann tried to create evidence of the Spalding Conspiracy.  There has long been a theory that Book of Mormon was plagiarized from a manuscript originally written by Solomon Spaulding (or Spalding.)  The problem with the theory is that there was never a connection between Joseph Smith and Solomon Spaulding—until Mark Hofmann came up with a document.  Steve Mayfield talks about buying this Hofmann forgery.

Steve: So, in January of 2000, the former owner of Cosmic Aeroplane sold it to Ken Sanders who used to work there. He now had his own bookstore there in Salt Lake, Ken Sanders Books. Well he had it on display and I’m just sitting there just [thinking], “Oh, oh, I love it.” But it was like $4,000 they wanted for it. Well, I had enough in a credit card, so I bought it from him.

GT: Oh my goodness.

Steve: In August of 2000. So, for four years I owned a Hofmann.

GT: You knew it was a forgery.

Steve: Yeah, Yeah. I mean he sold it as that. The minute he sold it after I bought it, I take it back to the office and show George [Throckmorton.] He showed some things on the document that only he and I know.

I guess this proves there is a market for Hofmann forgeries!  What do you think of Steve’s purchase?

Check out our conversation, as well as Steve’s other conversations….

Mark Hofmann forged a document that attempted to tie Sidney Rigdon & Solomon Spalding together.  Steve discusses why it is a forgery.
Mark Hofmann forged a document that attempted to tie Sidney Rigdon & Solomon Spalding together. Steve discusses why it is a forgery.

194: What is the Dead Lee Scroll? (Mayfield)

193: John D. Lee’s Role in Mountain Meadows Massacre (Mayfield)

192: Mormons & the FBI (Mayfield)

191: Steve Mayfield: Crime Photographer (Mayfield)

190: Mormon Connection in Patty Hearst Kidnapping (Mayfield)