Dorie Olds tells her recollections of the preliminary trial, Mark’s plea bargain, and her 5-minute divorce to bomber Mark Hofmann. It’s a fascinating conclusion to our conversation with Dorie.
GT: And then the plea bargain comes I guess. What did you think?
Dorie: The plea bargain. He was telling his dad. He was telling me, and he was telling his dad “I’m innocent, I’m innocent, I’m innocent.”
And, his dad’s like, “Why are you going to plead guilty to this if you’re innocent? You don’t plead guilty.”
And I’m going, “What is it?” Same thing. “What is it you’re doing?”
And he told both of us a story, which didn’t make sense to me, but i was like, “I don’t understand this. I don’t understand it. I can do nothing.” I could never make him do anything. And that’s the truth. I could never make him do anything. So, again, I [had this] out of control, powerless feeling with him.
And so what he told his dad and I, what he said was, “There’s a reason why I’m doing this. It’s going to protect you and the kids from being killed.” That’s what he said. I don’t know. See, it’s dramatic enough that it’s like, okay. “But I can’t talk about it. I can’t tell you. I can’t.” See. It’s another big story, you know? “But I’m innocent. But I’m going to plead guilty. But I’m doing it to protect my thing. I’m a such a good guy. I’m doing it to protect my family.” That’s the story. So yeah. So that’s what he said.
Check out our conversation… Don’t forget to check out our previous conversations with Dorie!
I’m really excited to introduce Dorie Olds. You may know her more famous ex-husband, Mark Hofmann, the famous forger/murderer. In this first episode we’ll talk about how Mark manipulated her in Hofmann’s Anthon forgery. Check out our conversation!
Dorie: And he brought a book. He brought a Bible and he said to me, “Well look in this Bible.” And it’s like, “Here, look through this,” or “Look through this thing.”
And I remember thinking, “Well, I’m tired. I’m back home from work. I’m tired. I don’t really want to do that.” And I kind of put it aside. And, I remember having this funny feeling. Why do you want me to do this? Because it was like he was really insistent.
“Will you look through this?”
And so I did look through this and there in the pages was a thing that was stuck. Part of me was like, “Wow, there’s something in here.” And part of me was like, “I have a funny feeling about this. Something’s going on that I don’t understand,” in the process of that. I went to him and said, “There’s something stuck in here.”
And he’s like, “Oh, what a surprise! I wonder what that is!” You know? And of course, he’d set that up so that he’d put it in there so I would find it. I would be the provenance. It wouldn’t be him. It would be something that could be documented that in a way he had nothing to do with it because he didn’t find it. I found it, and he had just handed me this book. So that’s the story of how that [came about.] It was the Anthon Transcript and those symbols that were in there. That was glued inside. And then he took them out and he took it from there. And I was the provenance for that. I was his. He was using me to be the provenance of that story.
I also asked how Dorie met Mark?
Dorie: I was attending Utah State University. I had gone to Dixie College for two years. And then moved up to Logan and was going to do two more years there. And in the apartment complex where I lived, he lived upstairs. So I was on the second level, I think he was on third level. And so that’s how I got to know him was he lived in the same apartment complex.
GT: Ok, you didn’t have any same classes together or anything like that?
Dorie: No, I didn’t have any classes together. I didn’t know this initially, but he had broken up with his [girlfriend.] He had gotten engaged and had broken up right before school started with this woman that he was engaged to and she would come up and they would sit in, I think it was her car, sit in her car and make out and I’d watch them make out.
Dorie: So, I don’t know. It wasn’t anything that was impressed. That was the first thing was, who’s that guy and what are they doing? And how ridiculous. And you know, it wasn’t any like love at first sight. No! Or to be together. It was none of that. That took time to go to that place.
GT: So he broke up with this other woman, and then you started dating? Is there any memorable dates?
Check out her answers! You may also be interested to hear Curt Bench’s recollections of Mark Hofmann!
The Hofmann bombings and forgeries have had a lasting impact on Church history. In the 1970s Leonard Arrington was a trained historian and became Church Historian. He opened the Archives to many researchers and people interested in Mormon History. However, General Authorities were concerned about some of the controversial aspects that were being uncovered. Of course Mark Hofmann had a lot to do with some of those controversial documents. How big of an impact did he play in shutting down access to church records in the Church History Library?
He certainly made the church change its entire approach to security, and protecting its holdings. It severely restricted access.
I think there was a long period of time when they were trying to determine what they had in their own holdings that were genuine and weren’t genuine. Yeah he definitely had an impact on how things are done at the Church History Library. I know it was a lot harder for me to do business with the church after that. Before things were more—I don’t know what the right word is, but it was easier to do business. It was more informal. It became very formal. There were processes you had to go through and committees had to make decisions on acquisitions and things like that rather than just being left to an individual.
Curt Bench will tell us about Mark Hofmann’s impact. But have things improved?
I really think we are in a new era, and I can only hope that it will get even better. The Joseph Smith Papers Project is one of the biggest evidences of that whole new attitude and openness. I mean those scholars are not given a list of restrictions as to what they can research and what they can write about and publish. Talk about throwing the books open, they’re doing it. They’re making our history available and accessible. There’s some very impressive scholarship that’s gone into that project, for example. That’s had spinoffs.
We see a lot of other research and writing and publishing that’s being done as a result of that whole attitude. Rick [Turley] is no longer Assistant Church Historian. He’s over Public Affairs now. I think he’s one of the unsung heroes in my opinion. He has helped us get to the point we are now, and those others that I mentioned and many that we can’t take the time to name.
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(Don’t forget to check out (parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6!)