There are many people who wondered how Mark Hofmann hid his secret life of forgeries from his own wife Dorie. Brent Ashworth was among those. In our final conversation with Brent, he tells how he came to realize Dorie was duped like everyone else, and how he apologized to Dorie for his beliefs about her.
Brent: I always thought Mark was using his wife, that she was in on some of this, because she was so near to it. I was kind of taking it out mentally on his wife, on Dorie for those years. Finally, it dawned on me. It takes me a little while. But finally, it dawned on me that she was just as much in the dark as the rest of us were, even though she was right next to him, and that I’d been kind of blaming her or I shouldn’t have blamed her for any part in it. I felt guilty. I thought, “I need to go apologize to Dorie.” So, it was 1990, it was 3 years after Hofmann’s gone to the slammer. I went up to her house and it was the same door. She was behind the screen [door,] and I think she was a little surprised to see me.
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Dorie Olds tells her recollections of the preliminary trial, Mark’s plea bargain, and her 5-minute divorce to bomber Mark Hofmann. It’s a fascinating conclusion to our conversation with Dorie.
GT: And then the plea bargain comes I guess. What did you think?
Dorie: The plea bargain. He was telling his dad. He was telling me, and he was telling his dad “I’m innocent, I’m innocent, I’m innocent.”
And, his dad’s like, “Why are you going to plead guilty to this if you’re innocent? You don’t plead guilty.”
And I’m going, “What is it?” Same thing. “What is it you’re doing?”
And he told both of us a story, which didn’t make sense to me, but i was like, “I don’t understand this. I don’t understand it. I can do nothing.” I could never make him do anything. And that’s the truth. I could never make him do anything. So, again, I [had this] out of control, powerless feeling with him.
And so what he told his dad and I, what he said was, “There’s a reason why I’m doing this. It’s going to protect you and the kids from being killed.” That’s what he said. I don’t know. See, it’s dramatic enough that it’s like, okay. “But I can’t talk about it. I can’t tell you. I can’t.” See. It’s another big story, you know? “But I’m innocent. But I’m going to plead guilty. But I’m doing it to protect my thing. I’m a such a good guy. I’m doing it to protect my family.” That’s the story. So yeah. So that’s what he said.
Check out our conversation… Don’t forget to check out our previous conversations with Dorie!
I’m really excited to introduce Dorie Olds. You may know her more famous ex-husband, Mark Hofmann, the famous forger/murderer. In this first episode we’ll talk about how Mark manipulated her in Hofmann’s Anthon forgery. Check out our conversation!
Dorie: And he brought a book. He brought a Bible and he said to me, “Well look in this Bible.” And it’s like, “Here, look through this,” or “Look through this thing.”
And I remember thinking, “Well, I’m tired. I’m back home from work. I’m tired. I don’t really want to do that.” And I kind of put it aside. And, I remember having this funny feeling. Why do you want me to do this? Because it was like he was really insistent.
“Will you look through this?”
And so I did look through this and there in the pages was a thing that was stuck. Part of me was like, “Wow, there’s something in here.” And part of me was like, “I have a funny feeling about this. Something’s going on that I don’t understand,” in the process of that. I went to him and said, “There’s something stuck in here.”
And he’s like, “Oh, what a surprise! I wonder what that is!” You know? And of course, he’d set that up so that he’d put it in there so I would find it. I would be the provenance. It wouldn’t be him. It would be something that could be documented that in a way he had nothing to do with it because he didn’t find it. I found it, and he had just handed me this book. So that’s the story of how that [came about.] It was the Anthon Transcript and those symbols that were in there. That was glued inside. And then he took them out and he took it from there. And I was the provenance for that. I was his. He was using me to be the provenance of that story.
I also asked how Dorie met Mark?
Dorie: I was attending Utah State University. I had gone to Dixie College for two years. And then moved up to Logan and was going to do two more years there. And in the apartment complex where I lived, he lived upstairs. So I was on the second level, I think he was on third level. And so that’s how I got to know him was he lived in the same apartment complex.
GT: Ok, you didn’t have any same classes together or anything like that?
Dorie: No, I didn’t have any classes together. I didn’t know this initially, but he had broken up with his [girlfriend.] He had gotten engaged and had broken up right before school started with this woman that he was engaged to and she would come up and they would sit in, I think it was her car, sit in her car and make out and I’d watch them make out.
Dorie: So, I don’t know. It wasn’t anything that was impressed. That was the first thing was, who’s that guy and what are they doing? And how ridiculous. And you know, it wasn’t any like love at first sight. No! Or to be together. It was none of that. That took time to go to that place.
GT: So he broke up with this other woman, and then you started dating? Is there any memorable dates?
Check out her answers! You may also be interested to hear Curt Bench’s recollections of Mark Hofmann!