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Engineering Joseph’s Visionary City (Part 1 of 8)

We’re going to get acquainted with David R. Hall, Chairman of Hall Labs in Provo, Utah. He’s an amazing inventor and gets his ideas from Joseph’s planned city.  We’ll get more acquainted with Joseph’s plans for Independence and Kirtland.

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David: My name is David Hall. I’m the son of Tracy Hall, who was a very famous scientist. He started what I’m now running, Hall Labs, clear back in 1954. Hall Labs is really a multi-functional lab with scientists in all the disciplines. We spin off companies, really many times, even before they’re profitable, in order to have money to go on to the next fun job. So, we’re turning the money constantly, all the time. What our Apollo project is, what excites us to get up in the morning and solve another problem actually comes from what is known in the LDS culture as the plat of Zion. We’ve renamed it with our own name called New Vista. But there are so many problems to get a New Vista running, that we never run out of issues. So, we work on them one at a time, but we’ll never get them all figured out. They’ll always be there.

GT:  I just want you guys to know–I’m sure you’ve never heard of David Hall before. I hadn’t heard until he reached out a couple of months ago. But I’m telling you, this is like Elon Musk and Bill Gates combined, and he’s LDS. So, that’s even better.

David: Yeah, and I don’t have nearly the money, that’s for sure. We probably have as many projects.

GT:  But, the amazing number of things that you’re working on is just mind blowing. I seriously feel like we just did a tour of the future. Because, I really am amazed. I don’t think it’s an understatement to call you a visionary. Holy cow!

David: Or crazy.

GT:  Visionaries are crazy. Right?

David:  Right, so [they go] kind of together.

GT:  The reason why I wanted to talk to you here on my podcast was, I love Independence and the city of Zion. Recently, there have been some high-resolution maps of what the original plot that Joseph Smith had in mind for Independence. It’s been amazing to me, as you said, you’ve taken this idea that Joseph Smith had, and you’re trying to solve these problems, and it’s created all these amazing new companies. First of all, can you tell us a little bit about Joseph Smith’s plans for Independence, and kind of how that’s inspiring you?

David:  Well, the plans actually came when they were at Kirtland. So, they were for Kirtland first, and then secondarily, Missouri. That’s where we have forgotten what the real history was. What was happening in Kirtland in 1832 and 33 is they were getting enough people that people were starting to say, “Well, let’s build a schoolhouse or let’s build a church, or let’s do something.”  Of course, the plan to build a community in Independence had already been thought of and talked about, but really, the core people were in Kirtland still when it came to that. So, Joseph Smith had probably been working on a plan since the early 1830s, after he finished the Book of Mormon, or he probably had some of the ideas when he was doing the Book of Mormon. But, when he starts to get into his studies about Enoch, he runs into the city that disappears.

David:  So, you’ve got all of these thoughts about a kind of ultimate city and community environment happening. Kirtland needs something. He already has the plat that we call the plat of Zion in front of it. If you read section 94 [in the Doctrine & Covenants] carefully, it tells him that the patterns have already been given to you, and you’ve got to follow it. So, in front of them, if you go into Joseph Smith Papers, you can search the 1833 plat and see the original. Imagine they already have that in front of them when they receive Sections 94 and 95. In fact, you can’t understand sections 94 and 95 unless you put it out in front of you, and really study it. Because there’s actually some unique numbers. There’s a building number five that has a big one by it, and a building number 17 that has a big two by it. Those were the two buildings that they were commanded to build. Now, they’re sitting there looking at 24 buildings.

GT:  Right. Now we’ve talked about that before on the podcast about there were really only 24 temples planned, and maybe temples isn’t the best word.

David:  Temple was–that name was not used. That came into existence later. They were called houses of the Lord. The real correct name for that is community center. So, there were supposed to be 24 community buildings. By the way, the actual size of the building was three or four times what they built in Kirtland. But they got a lot of it right. They’re looking at this plat wondering what to do, and how to build the buildings.

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David R Hall is trying to build Joseph’s city.
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Brazil Golden Plates (Part 5 of 9)

Have you heard about the Brazil Plates? The late Dr. John Pratt is going to tell us more about them!

GT:  Okay, so, tell us about the Brazilian group. How did you get associated with them?

John:  Somebody in April of 2019, a friend sends me a link and says, “Hey, a guy in Brazil claims that the Angel Moroni visited him, gave him the golden plates. He’s translated them and it just came out on March 26, 2019.

GT:  That’s an interesting date.

John:  Yeah. Then, I perked up. I had looked at Chris Nemelka’s book that came out in 2005. I had looked at–I try to be open to all. I mean, let’s look at this. So, [the book] cost a whole $5. It’s a 200-page book. It was on Amazon. It was five bucks. Obviously, nobody was making any money on this. That’s the cost of printing. So, I buy one and read it. I believe it.

GT:  This is the sealed portion.

John:  It was called the Sealed Book of Mormon, and it’s the translation. The story behind it is that this man in Brazil had Angel Moroni appear to him. Well, first, [there were] several angels. Angel Raphael came to him first and told him the long-term thing. Then, Angel Moroni comes and spends years with him and three witnesses, teaching them what they need to know, before he’s actually given the plates, the urim and thummin, and the sword of Laban.  So, here’s a man–if you open the book–here’s a man. And his first question was, by the way, “Why me?” If you read all through the Bible, every prophet first question: “Why me?”  Anyway, his name is Mauricio Berger, a German name and he’s of German descent.  [There are a] lot of Germans in southern Brazil. He said, “Why not somebody in in the United States?  He was LDS, a member of the LDS Church. The answer was, “Nobody in the United States is worthy to do it,” which is quite a statement. Anyway, he translates. He is given the urim and thummim, those interpreter stones.

GT:  Not a seer stone.

John:  Not one seer stone. He’s given the ones in…

GT:  The same ones as Joseph Smith.

John:  The same ones as Joseph Smith used.

GT:  The spectacles and the breastplate.

John:  Well, to my knowledge, he didn’t get the breastplate. At some point, I think Joseph disconnected them from the breastplate, because they were set up to where the breastplate, which would hold something, which would hold them in front of your eyes, like a pair of glasses. There were better ways to do that all that paraphernalia.

John:  I’m saying the whole stack is six inches tall. It used to be two thirds of it was sealed, and the top 1/3 was both the book of Lehi that was lost and the Book of Mormon that we have. Well, there’s about a sixth, that takes it down to half. The bottom half is totally sealed with two big rivets through the whole thing, like a nail with head on both sides, so shut. But there were 42 plates that Mauricio was allowed to unseal in the presence of the three witnesses and the eight witnesses. So, there’s 12 people that saw that being unsealed. Of those 42 plates, he has translated the first 19 into this book called The Sealed Book. Now, it’s called The Sealed Book instead of just The Sealed Book of Mormon, because of litigation with the LDS Church that has copyrighted Mormon’s name.

GT:  I thought we weren’t Mormons anymore.

John:  They’ve copyrighted that name.

GT:  The Book of Mormon is a copyrighted name?

John:  No, the name Mormon is a copyrighted name. What if they copyrighted the name John, or Jeff or something? I mean, I don’t think their church is going to win the litigation. But, it turns out–anyway, so the name has been changed to just The Sealed Book, but It’s only 19 plates that he’s translated. There’s going to be another 23 plates that he’s still going to translate. I will be one of the witnesses of the next part that comes out of the 23 plates. There’s a different set of plates.

GT:  Oh, so there’s a sequel coming.

John:  There’s a sequel. But it doesn’t come until we’ve learned to live by what’s in the first part. So, at some point I’d like to explain–I am explaining about two plates. Now, I’d like to explain kind of what’s in them and why people should read them.

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Dr John Pratt & others review the Brazil Plates.

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Dating the First Vision (Part 2 of 9 John Pratt)

When did the First Vision take place? The late Dr. John Pratt says it was March 26, 1820. That calculation is based on the Enoch Calendar. We’re going to take a deep dive into calendar systems and find out how John came up with that date.

John:  So, in the grand years of 364, he’s born in the year–it should be called zero for astronomers. They call it 1 BC, but they had no zero. So, he’s born in the Year Zero, and then the years 364 and 728, you go up five of those, and it’s the year 1820. So, that’s why it’s such a massive big year and big day because it is it’s all the way from Christ and Christ is more than one of these years, too.  So, there you go.

GT:  Okay, so this is a really interesting.  So, you’re tying the birth of Christ into…

John:  Into the First Vision, exactly.

GT:  So, you think you’ve nailed the date as March 26, 1820?

John:  Well, it was all proposed until– and I can say it in a sentence, John Lefgren rides up on a white horse. [He’s] an independent researcher who finds two confirming things.  One, he finds weather reports that shows that March 26 was the best warm day of spring up in New England, when it was snowing on April 6. A lot of people have thought [that] well, he was probably born on April 6. [I mean] the First Vision, they thought might be on April 6.  It turned out it was very cold and not good weather that day. But, on March 26th, it’s the one day that had perfect, sunny weather. That’s why Joseph Smith would remember that. He said, “I don’t know what the day was, but it was a warm, clear spring day.” Well, yeah, and because it snowed the whole month after that, so he’s going to remember that. So, he has the weather reports and the first weather reports ever made, in the world, as far as he can figure out, was in the United States in that year 1820.

GT:  (Chuckling) If it had been 1819, we’d have been out of luck.

John:  You’re out of luck.  So, it’s 1820 and we’ve got the weather.

GT:  The army started tracking the weather, for awhile now.

John:  The weather [tracking] started with the army. The Surgeon General of the United States Army saying, “If we knew the weather, we could keep our soldiers healthier.” So, he took 14–now I’m going to try to do short answers. But, in 14 military stations around, he had people take the weather, and notice the wind and the rain and the temperature three times a day, 14 all around.

GT:  Like 7am, noon and then…

John:  Right, and so we have the weather reports. Number one, there’s confirmation that that was a warm, spring sunny day. This John Lefgren guy happens to be up in New England and he has a maple syrup business, where he makes maple syrup. He knows the process. It turns out by looking– Lucy Mack was the one that knew how to make maple sugar and maple syrup. It turns out that that weather pattern is exactly the day, the time when they would have been working hard doing maple syrup. The story is that Joseph had left his axe in the tree, and he goes to the grove to pray. He couldn’t have prayed on the Friday or the Saturday. But, then on Sunday, it’s the day of rest, and there’s no maple sugar running. You do that when it runs.  It has to do with temperature changes. So, he had two different, separate witnesses that the day was correct. So, that’s what made me think…

GT:  So, it has to do with the maple sugar runs, and that was a perfect day.

John:  It was a perfect day to be after the maple sugar runs were over, to have a day of rest, and it was clear and sunny. Those were confirming. If all it was my Enoch date, nobody would have cared, because they’d say, “Oh yeah, Dr. Pratt and his woo woo calendars. He thinks he knows the date.” But, when you have, “Wait a minute, there’s weather reports. If it’s not that date, what day was it?”  They’d say, “Oh, yeah, it snowed all through April, and this is New England.”

GT:  So, the idea is if you’re making maple syrup, you need a lot of changes in temperature for the sap to run.

John:  Changes, it’s got to go from cold to hot, and then the pressure change. Then you get about two days of that. But, the Sunday was the third day and it was from hot to hot, and there’s no change. So, nothing was running on Sunday, and incidentally you’re supposed to rest anyway, and a perfect day for him to go pray.

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Dr. John Pratt calculates that the First Vision took plance on March 26, 1820.

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