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Bobby Kennedy & Joseph Smith (Part 4 of 8)

Joseph Smith and Bobby Kennedy were both killed while running for president of the United States.  Dr. Derek Sainsbury tells us more about these two men, and I was surprised to hear about their surprising similarity.

GT:  I mean, I think the closest modern day equivalent is probably Bobby Kennedy.

Derek:  Absolutely.

GT:  Yeah.

Derek:  Yeah. In fact, that’s the next book I’m already writing is a comparison between those two.

GT:  Oh really? Oh, wow. That’ll be interesting.

Derek:  Because he’s the only other candidate in the history of the United States–

GT:  [George] Wallace got shot I guess.

Derek:  Shot but not killed. Yeah.

GT:  Oh, really? So those are the only two people that have been killed is Joseph Smith and Bobby Kennedy?

Derek:  Yeah.

GT:  Wow.

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Bobby Kennedy & Joseph Smith are the only presidential candidates to be killed while running for POTUS.

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419:  Mormons: The Original Swing Voters!

418:  Views of General Joseph Smith


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Electioneer Missionaries (Part 3 of 8)

More than 600 men and women were called to be electioneer missionaries on behalf of Joseph Smith’s campaign for president. It was the largest missionary force for more than 50 years.  In our next conversation with Dr. Derek Sainsbury, we’ll talk about some of these missionaries.

Derek:  There’s this call to all available Elders to try and make General Conference in April because they’re going to have a meeting. So in General Conference in April–it’s a four day conference, the last conference is just a meeting of the Elders. It’s run by Brigham Young and the Twelve Apostles. They say, “We’re going to send out electioneer missionaries, and you will preach and politic. We’re going to set up these conferences in all of these different states and the Twelve will come and meet you in these conferences, until we have a convention in July, in Baltimore.”  This is where the Whigs and the Democrats were also having their convention.

GT:  Both parties were having it in the same city? Wow.

Derek:  Yes so that his would have been the third convention in Baltimore, obviously, not anywhere near as big. But that was the thinking that was going into it. They call for volunteers and 277 of them volunteer that day. By the time they print their names and assignments in the newspaper, a week later, there are over 300.  In my research over the past 15 years, I have the number up now to 621. So this is a huge missionary effort, which is one of the reasons we know that it was a serious effort.

GT:  I know you mentioned in your book that it was the largest proportion of missionaries that the church has ever had.

Derek:  Ever! Until today.

GT:  Let’s say, how many people do we have in our church now?

Derek:  Over sixteen million.

GT  :  Sixteen million. So 600 missionaries back then, proportionately, what would be the same number for us today?

Derek:  Oh, so,  we’re looking at, jeez, can I use my calculator? You’re looking at in the hundreds of thousands of missionaries,

GT:  Hundreds of thousands. I know we’ve got the Coronavirus, but we were we were having 60,000.

Derek:  You’re looking at a lot more than that. You’re looking at hundreds of thousands.

Brigham Young and a large group of missionaries campaigned for Joseph Smith in 1844.

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419:  Mormons: The Original Swing Voters!

418:  Views of General Joseph Smith

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Views of General Joseph Smith (Part 1 of 8)

Most Mormons know that Joseph Smith ran for the presidency of the United States.  Was it a serious run?  Did Joseph really think he was going to win?  Dr. Derek Sainsbury will answer those questions, and we’ll talk about Joseph Smith’s Presidential platform.  I was surprised to learn that General Joseph Smith was pushing his military expertise!

Derek: On January 29, 1844, they nominate him. And he immediately starts writing a political pamphlet called “The Views of General Joseph Smith,” on the powers and policy of the United States government. And it’s mailed to all the leaders of government in the United States, and to all the major newspapers.

GT:  General Joseph Smith!  He is emphasizing his military background.

Derek:  Right, because obviously he can’t win our election or even affect an election as Prophet Joseph Smith. Right? Because  it’s got to appeal to a wider group and he is a general in the Navajo Legion by state commission. In fact, he’s a Lieutenant General. He’s the only Lieutenant General between George Washington and Ulysses S. Grant in the history of the United States.

GT:  So who mentioned Lieutenant General?

Derek:  Governor Carlin.

GT:  Oh really?

Derek: Yeah,  not necessarily because he thinks he deserves it, but that’s the commission when they do the Nauvoo Legion. That’s the commission that Joseph Smith requests. Both parties when in those early days, are [courting the Mormon vote.] It’s so evenly split [between] Democrat and Whig in Illinois. They’re stumbling over each other.

Now for those of you on YouTube, you’ll notice a 3-D reproduction of Joseph Smith in his military dress uniform.  It was done by a fantastic artist named Adam Worthington.  He has kindly allowed me to use it in this video, and if you would like a copy of it yourself, please go to Adam’s website, and you can not only see this amazing reproduction, but other 3-D renderings of Joseph Smith and Emma.  These are available for purchase, so please support Adam’s amazing artwork!

Dr Derek Sainsbury tells about General Joseph Smith’s 1844 campaign for President of the United States.