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Ervil LeBaron: Polygamist, Assassin

We’re continuing our discussion with polygamy expert Anne Wilde. We’ll talk about the infamous Ervil LeBaron: a polygamist and an assassin.  He was responsible of the deaths not only of his own brother, but other leaders such as the Apostolic United Brethren’s Rulon Allred.

Anne:  He is responsible for killing or the death of about 20 people, and I know that because I knew some of them.  Ogden[1] was introduced to him one time under a fictitious name and so we went out to a meeting and thought this was this guy’s name, Stilson, and lo and behold shortly after that we saw a picture, “Wanted: Ervil LeBaron” but was a picture of this guy that we had met.  He even stayed in my home under that other name.  Then when I found out who he was, I was a little concerned, but fortunately I didn’t know who he was at the time he stayed in my home.

[1] Anne was the second wife of polygamist Ogden Kraut.

Before we get to that,  She’s a polygamy expert, and we’re going to talk more about some of the smaller polygamist groups, such as the Kingston group and Harmston group.

GT:  Would it be safe to say that the AUB is probably the biggest group now?

Anne:  It is.

GT:  It’s probably about 7500.

Anne:  It’s the biggest one that’s in unity or in one name or whatever….  Don’t forget the independents!  That’s what I am.  I consider myself an independent fundamentalist Mormon and that’s because I do not belong to any other organized groups.  There’s about 12-15000, but they aren’t a group.

GT:  Oh so they’re the biggest.

Anne:  But they aren’t a group.  There are a lot that believe in keeping these eternal principles alive, not just plural marriage but others as well, as best as they can amongst the families.  They just don’t feel impressed, and I don’t, to join and be baptized into any of the groups.

You might want to brush up on the AUB, FLDS & Centennial Park too.  Check out our conversation…..

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Christmas Party Plea Deal

This is our last conversation with Shannon Flynn.  In this episode we’ll talk about Mark Hofmann’s lawyer, Ron Yengich.  Ron has defended some of Utah’s most notorious criminals.  We’ll talk about the plea bargain in which Ron was able to plea bargain down to second degree murder, rather than first degree murder.  How did that come about? It may have been a Christmas Party Plea Deal.  We’ll also ask, why doesn’t Mark grant interview requests?

Shannon:  I think he still harbors an idea that he will get out some day.  I believe that’s what drives most of his denials of talking to anybody, corresponding with news people or anything like that.

GT:  You think that he doesn’t want to do interviews because he wants to still get out.  Is that what you’re saying?

Shannon:  Yes.  See his attorney was Ron Yengich….

Check out our conversation…



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Mark Hofmann’s Unusual Prison Visitors

Shannon Flynn is one of the few people that have visited Mark Hofmann in prison.  He’ll tell about his experiences meeting with Mark as well as some of the surprise visitors Mark has had, like the man he tried to kill but killed his wife instead.

But I did find out that Gary Sheets went one time. You’ll be able to show that, the correspondence for that, but I have no idea what was said.  No idea.  I can’t imagine what that would have been like, though actually for Mark I don’t believe that would have been the worst encounter had had of that nature.

Shannon also describes his visits to Mark Hofmann in prison.  (Don’t forget to hear about Shannon’s other comments on Mark’s prison experiences, and whether Hofmann should be released from prison.)  Check out our conversation…..