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Conspiracy Theories: Sam Smith, William Smith, James Strang (Part 4)

Steve Shields and I discuss the conspiracy theories against William & Sam Smith following the death of Joseph & Hyrum.

Following the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, brother Samuel died within a month.  Was Samuel poisoned?

Steve:  You know, conspiracy theorists. Okay, fine. Was he poisoned deliberately? Who knows? There’s no way to know. The typical story had been that he, was [ill with] was it pneumonia or cholera or, I can’t remember what. In those days, in the Midwest, in the summer months, you had malaria, you had typhus, you had cholera. I mean, that stuff was rampant. Their food sanitation was different from what we would have today. It could’ve been any number of things, I think. There’s no way to ever know for sure now, even if we were to exhume his remains, there’s not enough left to do any of that kind of study, probably. Was he poisoned deliberately by somebody? Well, it could be, but why? Maybe I have a different view of Brigham young and his colleagues than some, I’m not willing to just write Brigham Young off and call him an evil, you know, usurper.

Were people out to kill the other prophet’s brother William?

GT:  Back to William Smith. So he came to Nauvoo [in] September of 1844.

Steve:   By the end of August, early September, he was back in Nauvoo, I’m pretty sure.

GT:  And Brigham ordained him as patriarch.

Steve: He was called as patriarch and I presume they ordained him. I don’t know, because I’m not sure that all that ritual stuff had really been solidified at that early time. I don’t know. Today, of course we would always do that. Did they need to? He was already an apostle. Maybe he just needed to be designated that. I don’t know.

What about James Strang?

Steve:  Within weeks of affiliating, William Smith was disaffiliated, and that was before Strang ever got involved, ever publicly announced polygamy. I’m not sure when he [William] got involved in it. Somebody knows those dates, I just can’t remember them.

William Smith was there long enough to write this hymn that was published in Strang’s paper at Voree, which is near Burlington, Wisconsin. Actually, it’s now part of the city limits, but it [the hymn] was an ode to Voree, and it has something like 15 verses.

Check out our conversation…

Here’s the first 3 parts with Steve Shields!

226: Sidney’s Unsung Role in Restoration (Shields)

225: Steve’s Shields Own Divergent Path

224: Who Owns the Temple Lot? (Shields)

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Mark’s Trial, Dorie’s 5-Minute Divorce (Part 6)

Dorie Olds tells her recollections of the preliminary trial, Mark’s plea bargain, and her 5-minute divorce to bomber Mark Hofmann.  It’s a fascinating conclusion to our conversation with Dorie.

GT: And then the plea bargain comes I guess. What did you think?

Dorie: The plea bargain. He was telling his dad. He was telling me, and he was telling his dad “I’m innocent, I’m innocent, I’m innocent.”

And, his dad’s like, “Why are you going to plead guilty to this if you’re innocent? You don’t plead guilty.”

And I’m going, “What is it?” Same thing. “What is it you’re doing?”

And he told both of us a story, which didn’t make sense to me, but i was like, “I don’t understand this. I don’t understand it. I can do nothing.” I could never make him do anything. And that’s the truth. I could never make him do anything. So, again, I [had this] out of control, powerless feeling with him.

And so what he told his dad and I, what he said was, “There’s a reason why I’m doing this. It’s going to protect you and the kids from being killed.” That’s what he said. I don’t know. See, it’s dramatic enough that it’s like, okay. “But I can’t talk about it. I can’t tell you. I can’t.” See. It’s another big story, you know? “But I’m innocent. But I’m going to plead guilty. But I’m doing it to protect my thing. I’m a such a good guy. I’m doing it to protect my family.” That’s the story. So yeah. So that’s what he said.

Check out our conversation…  Don’t forget to check out our previous conversations with Dorie!

Dorie Olds tells about Mark Hofmann's preliminary trial, and her 5-minute divorce from him.
Dorie Olds tells about Mark Hofmann’s preliminary trial, and her 5-minute divorce from him.

216: “You May Be in Danger” (Olds)

215: Was Dorie Blamed for the Bombings? (Olds)

214: “Be Grateful for Adversity” (Olds)

213: Gaslighted by Mark (Olds)

212: Finding Mark’s First Forgery (Olds)

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“You May Be in Danger” (Part 5)

We’re continuing our conversation with Dorie Olds.  Following the 2 bombs that went off in 1985, I asked her if she was worried for her safety.  At the time, she didn’t know that her husband, Mark Hofmann was planting the bombs….  Was Dorie really in danger?

GT: Let’s go back to the awful October of 1985. So, I’ve talked with several people that have known Mark and they were all, they were all looking for bombs under their car.

Dorie: Yeah, it frightened a lot of people.

GT:  Curt Bench, Shannon Flynn, even Michael Quinn. Were you concerned for your safety? Because none of these people believed that it was Mark initially either.

Dorie: Yeah.

GT: Were you concerned?

Dorie:  I wasn’t until Mark called me. He called me and said, “You need to leave the house because you may be in danger.” So he’s telling me this big old lie, scaring me….I remember just running out so fast that I didn’t even close the dishwasher. I remember just running, leaving so fast. And then [I was] talking to Mark later and he laughed when I told him, “Yeah, I left. I grabbed everything.”

“Well you didn’t really need to,” or something like that. He laughed at me because I got scared. I remember that.

GT:  That struck you as pretty odd?

Dorie:  Yes. It was like, “What? And why did you tell me? Why are you telling me I need to leave? If you didn’t want me to leave? Why are you? Why? What?”

Because I did not understand him. What’s going on? And it’s like, if I’m not in danger, why are you telling me I’m in danger? But yeah, he laughed. I remember that.

Find out more of Dorie’s perspective!

Dorie describes running out of her house when bomber Mark Hofmann told her, "You may be in danger."
Dorie describes running out of her house when bomber Mark Hofmann told her, “You may be in danger.”