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What is the “Order of Enoch”? Reinterpreting Consecration in Today’s World

We’re continuing our discussion with Jim Vun Cannon, a counselor in the First Presidency of the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  In this conversation, we’ll going to compare differences and similarities between the Law of Tithing and the Law of Consecration between the LDS Church and the Remnant Church.  We’ve made a few passing references to the “Order of Enoch.”  What is that exactly?

Jim:  That was something that was set about in the church.  That was, oh goodness, I’d say the 1850s I believe was probably the first time that was there.  Basically it was the idea of consecrating.

GT:  Are you consecrating all of your things together and giving them to the bishop and letting him disburse them?

Jim:  So that’s an interesting part about that.  Having seen some of these, what I would call them, “all things common”, kind of little groups that are out there, it’s not like that.  We interpret “all things common” a little differently, and we interpret consecration differently in the respect that it’s not a common purse.  Certainly we’re to go before the bishop and we’re to get counsel from him on how to spend our monies, but we are still the steward over those monies.  Even when we live in community together, we don’t have that community purse.

Everybody has their own paycheck, has their own monies.  It’s out of their own volition to do so that hey, so-and-so needs this or whatever. They consecrate that surplus to the bishop and the bishop then of course at a greater level look at who needs what and then provide that to them.

It was a fun conversation as we talked about the differences in tithing and consecration between the LDS and Remnant Churches.  Both churches have had to adapt since the days of a “common purse” in Joseph Smith’s day.  Check out our conversation!


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18 Revelations to Gather to Missouri Now! Remnant Church Scriptures

We’re continuing our discussion (see part 3 here) with Jim Vun Cannon, a counselor in the First Presidency of the Remnant Church.  In this episode, we’ll talk about Remnant Church Scriptures.  Some of these revelations tell people to gather to Missouri.  We’ll first talk about their version of the Doctrine & Covenants.

GT:  Have you had any revelations?  How many have you had since 1984?

Jim:  Considering our church started about 1999-2000, about 18.

GT:  About 18, wow.  That’s about one a year.

Jim:  Yeah, pretty much.

GT:  Can you about what are some of those revelations that you’ve had since 2000?

Jim:  A number of those revelations are directional.  As far as revealing doctrine, per se, so like when you look at Joseph Smith, Jr. and you look at his revelations, there’s a lot of doctrines that he’s revealing that we see there.

Gather to Missouri Now!

Some of these revelations tell the saints to gather to Missouri.

Jim:  Our revelations as we call them from the Remnant Church forward, you’ll see a lot of direction around building community, so we were to go and build community in eastern Jackson County and so we’re doing that again, and we have done that.

GT:  So you’re gathering to Missouri.

Jim:  More or less.  Yes, we are already in Missouri.  Those of us there are starting to build that because we believe that Zion is a literal place, and that it is the kingdom of heaven on earth where God the Father will dwell and so we are trying to do the best we can.

GT:  That’s an interesting idea.  It seems like in the LDS Church when I was growing up there was this talk about returning to Missouri but I’ll bet in the last 20 years you don’t hear that in the LDS Church anymore.  Nobody talks about going back to Missouri anymore.  We’re very happy in Salt Lake.  We’re building Zion where we are.  That’s interesting to me.  I do believe that’s something with the Community of Christ as well as the Remnant Church.  That’s a big piece of your doctrine and theology is gathering to Jackson County.  Is that correct?

Jim:  Correct, yes.  If you want to look at what really, of all the different groups that are out there, that is a defining point.  How you define the kingdom changes a lot of things.  It really does.  As you look at it, some believe that there’s nothing you can do.  They look at it as Zion’s going to show up one day.  If you’re worthy then you get to go in.  If you’re not worthy, you’re not going to get to go in.

We believe that we can actually build Zion and it’s a process that we go through and that at some point we’ll become sanctified to where it will be the Zion that is spoken of.

Do you wish the LDS Church had more revelations, or is this simply the function of a new church to get more revelations than an established church?  Why do you think the LDS Church doesn’t emphasize gathering to Missouri anymore?

Pearl of Great Price?

I also asked Jim about the Pearl of Great Price.

Jim:  The Book of Moses you’re talking about, as best I understand that’s the same thing we have in our Genesis.  The Inspired Version is what we call it.  The Joseph Smith Translation what you have, that’s what we call the Inspired Version.

GT:  Oh so you actually include that as part of your Bible.

Jim:  It is actually—the scriptures for members actually have that in there.  The King James is really used just for those who are non-members.  We’re witnessing to them, we have a common point of reference, the King James.

GT:  Oh so you would have the six books of Moses then.

Jim:  Yeah, I guess that would be fair to say that, yeah.

We’ll also talk about chiasmus in the Book of Mormon.  Check out our conversation!  (Don’t forget parts 1, 2, and 3!)