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Polygamy & 2002 Olympics

This is our last conversation with Anne Wilde.  I’ve really enjoyed talking with her and I hope you’ve enjoyed it as much as I have.  In this episode we’ll talk about the reasons why she co-founded the group, Principle Voices, and her role in the 2002 Olympics.

Then for various reasons, there were three of us:  Mary Batchelor, Marianne Watson, and I that thought somebody has got to come out with a better representation of how this principle can be lived, and not let the women that are leaving and have a bitter story to tell be the voice of polygamy.  They have a right to tell their story.  We never doubted that for a minute.  But there were three or four, and they were coming out, a few more, and writing books about what a terrible lifestyle was.

So the three of us got together and really felt impressed that we were the ones to write a book with a more positive outlook on it.  So we did, and we sent out invitations for plural wives to participate anonymously.  We got a hundred responses.  It was amazing the stories that they told.  We said keep it short, one or two pages at the most.  Give us an expression of your testimony or experience that you had to show that this principle can work for you, not everybody, but it works.

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How Does Anne Justify Concubines & Law of Sarah?

We’re going to take a deep dive into section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants.  It deals with the Law of Sarah.

Anne:  Yeah, ok.  Ideally the Law of Sarah is the first wife gives consent for any subsequent wives.  If she does not give her consent then it says that the man is exempt from that law, which is the case with Joseph Smith.  Emma didn’t give her consent except for a couple of instances, so he was exempt from that law.  He could go ahead and take wives without her consent according to section 132, and I believe that’s the case.

GT:  So why have a law if you’re exempt from it?  Is that really a law?

Anne:  Well it’s an ideal law, if things were [ideal], but the thing is, if that were the case then the woman would have control over the family, who came in it, who he married.  This is a priesthood law.  This is not a matriarchal law.  The man is obligated I believe, and Ogden did, to try and be as patient as you can with the first wife and explain it to her, have a period of time where you are working with her if she’s opposing it, and then if it comes to a point where you can see that she’s never going to accept that, does that mean his exaltation is jeopardized because the first wife won’t let him live a celestial law?  That doesn’t make sense.  It’s a priesthood law, not a woman’s law.

GT:  I understand that.  A woman, most LDS women, I’m going to try my best to channel my LDS woman here, but they’re going to say, “Well look.  You’re telling me—to me the Law of Sarah, if a man can be exempt from the Law of Sarah, what’s the point having a “Law of Sarah?”  It’s more of an idea.  It’s ideal.

Anne:  No, it’s an ordinance.  In fact during the marriage ceremony she is supposed to put the hand of the future wife, the prospective wife into the hand of her husband.  That’s part of the ceremony. But if she doesn’t go along with it and is not going to be there, he’s exempt from that.  Otherwise, it just makes sense to me.

We also discuss concubines.

Anne:  Well my understanding of that is that they are “lesser wives.”  They are not covenant wives.  They are probably not eternal-type wives.  But I think there are traditions and customs in countries that God allows to happen.  They may not be His religious way of doing things, but he allows them to adhere to the customs and traditions of the country at the time.  I would assume it was something like that.

Abraham was building up a kingdom, kind of like, whatever the reason, God acknowledged that.  It’s not a religious thing necessarily.  We talk about the difference between civil rights and religious rights, they were civil ceremonies probably, probably.  I really don’t know how to explain that any better.

GT:  These concubines would have been for time only essentially?

Anne:  Yeah, correct.  Who knows if some of the others are going to be only for time too?  You have to be worthy.

Anne Wilde will give her perspective on these two important points in section 132.  We’ll also talk about the verses that refer to Emma Smith being destroyed if she doesn’t accept polygamy.  What does Anne think about this?  Check out our conversation…..

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Anne’s Marriage – Was Jesus a Polygamist?

I’m excited to talk to Anne Wilde about her own polygamist marriage to Ogden Kraut.  She was the second wife of Ogden.   We’ll get to know a little bit more about Anne.

Anne:  I was born and raised in the LDS Church.  I’m very happy in it.  I went to BYU on a scholarship, graduated in it with honors.  I year after I graduated, I married in monogamy to Ted Wilde, was married in the temple.  I was married for nine years but during that nine years I realized there had been a lot of changes made in the church.  The two of us, he was very intelligent, a researcher, a scholar, not an author but knew a lot about the history of the church, so I learned a lot of that from him and then a lot of friends that he had.

One of those friends was Ogden Kraut and so when the marriage didn’t work out a year later, I became Ogden’s second wife.  I was married to him for 33 years and he died in 2002, 15 years ago.  We had a really happy marriage, got along really well.

It was interesting to learn that Anne helped Ogden write many books.  One of them detailed the fact that Jesus was married!

Anne:  When Jesus Was Married came out in 1969, it was in February of ’69.  That was Ogden’s first book, and he knew that Joseph F. Smith was president of the Quorum of Twelve at that time.  He knew his belief that Jesus was married, so as soon as the book came out of the binder, we took the first copy up to Joseph Fielding Smith and got right in.  The secretary at that time, you know you could walk right in practically and see a general authority.  The office door was wide open.  Here was the receptionist, she motioned us in.

We’ll also talk a little bit about Jesus.  Anne says he was a polygamist!  We’ll discuss what scriptures she uses to come to that conclusion.  Do you agree with Anne?  Don’t forget to check out on our other conversations with Anne!)  Check out our conversation…..