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Making a Case for Melchizedek Priesthood in 1831 (Part 4 of 9)

There has been a discrepancy as to when the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored.  Was it in June of 1829, 1830, or 1831?  Historian Dan weighs in on the controversy and makes a case for later than the official Church story.

GT: Okay, so it sounds to me like you’re making a pretty strong case for the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood being 1831, which really wasn’t known about until 1835. Is that what you’re saying?

Dan   Yeah, 1835.  Alma Chapter 13 talks about the high priesthood and associates the high priesthood with Melchizedek.  So in June 1831, it’s the high priesthood that is given to elders, and for time it was the elders with more authority. It wasn’t a separate office at first.  It takes several months before it becomes the high priest office, but it was elders that had the high priesthood. So, that high priesthood, of course, because Alma is going to be associated with Melchizedek, and that’s why it says for the first time.  The eldership wasn’t associated with Melchizedek. So in the church you had, for a while, elders.  Elders were the charismatic leaders of the church, and the teachers, priests and deacons. were under elders.

GT:  Yeah. So from what I understand, I spoke with Greg Prince about a year and a half ago, one of the things he said was when the church was very first organized, you had elders, priests and teachers. Those are the only three authorized.

Dan:  Right, deacon came a little later.

GT:  Deacon and Bishop came when Sidney Rigdon was baptized, and he said the Bible has Bishop and Deacon and so those were added later, both to the Aaronic priesthood, but it sounds like..

Dan:  There’s no Aaronic, yet.

GT:  So it was just the priesthood. Okay. I’m trying to remember because Quinn also delves into this and it sounded like elders were kind of like, “We’re not sure if they’re Aaronic or Melchizedek,” because it was kind of confusing.

Dan:  Elders and then the High Priests were separate.  Not until the expansion of D & C 107 were elders included in the High Priesthood and formed two layers.

Dan will also weigh in on Michael Marquardt’s claim that the Church was restored in Manchester, rather than Fayette.  Check out our conversation….

Historian Dan Vogel thinks the restoration of Melchizedek Priesthood dates to 1831.

Don’t miss our other episodes with Dan!

289 – Methodist Visions

288 – Why “Pious Fraud” Ticks off Everyone

287 – Dan Vogel Was a McConkie Mormon!

 

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Calling the Original Apostles (Part 4 of 4)

Michael Marquardt discusses early missionary accounts. The final installment of our conversation with Michael is only available to newsletter subscribers.  Sign up at gospeltangents.com/newsletter to get a secret link that talks about early missionaries and apostles!

Here’s what we will talk about.  What did they preach to new converts?  How were the original 12 apostles called?  We’ll also talk about the Community of Christ.  Do they believe the church was founding in Fayette or Manchester? Sign up right away so you don’t miss out on our conversation!

Michael Marquardt tells about early missionary work and the Travelling High Council in the 1830s.
Michael Marquardt tells about early missionary work and the Travelling High Council in the 1830s.

Here are our other conversations with Michael!

264: Early Priesthood 1829-1835 (Marquardt)

263: Who Were Original 6 in 1830? (Marquardt)

262: Church Founded in Manchester (Not Fayette)

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Early Priesthood 1829-1835 (Part 3 of 4)

What was early priesthood like in 1830?  Michael Quinn has said there are three different dates for the restoration of the Melchizedek: 1829, 1830, and 1831.  I asked Michael Marquardt to weigh in on the issue of early priesthood.

Michael:  The high priesthood was like the office of high priest. So an elder, if you go backwards, would be an elder in the church and according to the Articles and Covenants. An elder is an apostle. An apostle is an elder. So just like any organization, there’s a development over time.

GT: So if I remember right, there were only three offices when the church was organized on April 6, 1830: teacher, priest, and elder. And so, there’s a question as to whether elder was part of the Aaronic priesthood or the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Michael: Yeah. There was no priesthood at that time.

GT: It was just “the priesthood.”

Michael: There was no priesthood.

GT:  There was no priesthood?

Michael:  No, it was an office in the church.

Check out our conversation….

What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?
What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?

And check out our other conversations with Michael!

263: Who Were Original 6 in 1830?

262: Church Founded in Manchester (Not Fayette)