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*Intro to Reborn LDS Church (Part 9 of 9)

So far, we keep referring to this group as “The Brazil Group.”  But what is the official name of this church?

John:  So, the short name we use, instead of having to say, it’s the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints founded/headquartered in Brazil. That is a mouthful. We’re doing the short name. It’s the Reborn LDS church, because that’s what it is.  It’s reborn. It’s like this Christian reborn thing.  Because it turns out if you look at the Mayan calendar, the life cycle of man. First there’s conception and then there’s quickening, where you enter the womb, and then there’s birth. The next step after that is what I call the birth of the natural man. It’s the day of accountability. It’s teenagers when they get rebellious. That’s the natural man that rebels against God, then there’s a day later on in life where you’re supposed to repent, turn to God again, and be born again of the Spirit. You’ve been born again. There’s a day in everybody’s life that’s supposed to do that. The Church of God has a birth date. It also has a date when it became rebellious, which is the day it elected Brigham Young, it turns out. Then, there’s a day when it stops being rebellious and goes back to God. That was, I believe, the 6th of April 2019. It was reborn at that time. So, I’m saying–it’s not just a cute name. It actually was reborn at that time. It was prophesied in the sealed book by Moses, which nobody could have faked because they don’t know that stuff.

John:  So, anyway, there you go. That’s the Reborn LDS Church. The website is, there’s one in Brazil. But, I made my own, because I have the old histories. I like it better. It’s called Second Invitation, because Joseph Smith was the first invitation to the restored gospel. This is now the second invitation to the restored gospel. So, https://secondinvitation.info. There I’ve got a history and there’s lots of information there about this church.

GT:  All right, cool.  Denver Snuffer, have you talked to him about this church?

John:  Oh, he did not like the book.  Before it came out, he read about it, and pronounced it bogus before he’s read it. Now he has read it, and he hasn’t changed his mind.

John:  So, I’m a real rebel over there. The word on the street over at Denver’s place is, “Too bad about John.” And why? Because they still want to follow a prophet. They’re following him. He says, “Don’t follow me.” He just said–and he never said he prayed about the book. He said, “It’s a big deal for me to come into the presence of the Lord, and I’m not going to pray about trivial things.” He said, “To me, this is obviously bogus.” That was his word on it, bogus. So, it’s just his opinion. It boils down to, I liked the book and he didn’t. But, of course, everybody in his group is mysteriously with him. So, I go to the conferences, and I told him. I said, I won’t say anything that you think is heresy. But, anyway, so I’m a believer, but not too many of his group are. I don’t, I think I know one other one who is in his group that accepts the Sealed Book. So, there you go.

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The late Dr John Pratt answers some final questions.

Don’t miss our previous conversations with John.

593:  3 Churches of Mormonism

592:  What’s in Sealed Book of Mormon?

591:  Hofmann Question of Brazil Plates

590:  Brazil Golden Plates

589:  John Pratt’s Spiritual Journey

588:  Dating Problems with First Vision

587:  Dating First Vision

586:  Dating Christ’s Birth

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Three Churches of Mormonism (Part 8 of 9)

The late Dr. John Pratt says there are 3 churches of Mormonism. He’ll talk about the purpose that each church fulfills.

John:  The restoration branches. This is really important. There are three main restoration branches, and the Lord has worked with all three of them, and each one is doing a job. Brigham Young, even though he wasn’t a high priest, he did have the keys of an apostle. What’s the job of an apostle? It’s to spread the gospel over the world. What’s the main thing the LDS Church has done? It’s spread the gospel all over the world. The Book of Mormon has gone everywhere. That’s wonderful. That’s amazing. It’s a true book. So that was the job of the LDS Church. Sure, they got off track on other stuff, okay. Alright, the Sacrament’s not perfect.

John:  This is something–oh, there’s a whole story about lineal succession, which is another story. I’ll just say it very briefly. Joseph Smith made it clear that his successor was to be his son, Joseph Smith, the third. He was ordained, anointed and ordained in the presence of several people who testify of that. But he’s only 11 years old at the martyrdom. Somebody had to be the guardian of the Church until he was old enough. Sidney Rigdon, he’s known to have stood up and said, “I’ll be the guardian until that time,” in the big debate. Then Brigham Young gets up and says that the Twelve can be. They vote for the Twelve.

John:  In any case, the Temple Lot did keep it, no matter who was suing them. So, the Temple Lot people have kept the temple lot. The others have the lineage and Mormons have the [missionary work.] But, they’re all important, and right now they’re all coming together. The apostles in this new church, two of them are from the Temple Lot and I think one is from Reorganized and one is from LDS. So, they’re coming together.

John:  There are prophecies in Isaiah about this.

John definitely has an unusual interpretation for this Isaiah prophecy. Check out our conversation….

John says the LDS, RLDS, and Temple Lot Churches all play big roles in the Restoration.

Don’t miss our previous conversations with John!

592:  What’s in Sealed Book of Mormon?

591:  Hofmann Question of Brazil Plates

590:  Brazil Golden Plates

589:  John Pratt’s Spiritual Journey

588:  Dating Problems with First Vision

587:  Dating First Vision

586:  Dating Christ’s Birth

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Hofmann Question on Brazil Plates (Part 6 of 9)

In a previous conversation with Dr. Casey Griffiths, Casey said that a South American group used a Hofmann forgery to authenticate the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. The late Dr. John Pratt pushes back on that charge, and we’ll talk about the Brazilian golden plates.

GT:  That’s a great place, because I wanted to go there too. Because Casey Griffiths in my recent interview said somebody asked for proof, and a copy of the Hofmann forgery was provided as proof, basically.

John:  Okay, let me review the Hofmann thing and then the answer. So, by the way, I have not studied this in detail. I read a certain paper and I’ll tell you my source, a man named Ian Cackler, is the man in Missouri who really wanted to know for himself about this Hofmann issue. He did detailed research and I will now summarize [it,] as best I understood. I read it to prepare for this. I had seen the plates. I knew it was true. So, I didn’t care about– I knew the Hofmann stuff, but I just thought, “Yeah, people are always…” I didn’t study it. Now, my main source is this one paper, so I’m quoting that. But, it made a lot of sense to me and he has all the references in there where you check it. I will send you the paper. I’ll email you the paper where you can provide it for any of your viewers that want to look at it. But, basically, well as you saw on your program, he showed the one main picture.

John:  There’s one main picture that is always shown that is believed to be Martin Harris’s copying of the characters. The man you were interviewing pointed out that that actually was not Martin Harris’, that was John Whitmer’s.

GT:  The Caracters document is what you’re talking about.

John:  The Caracters document, that has the word character, at the top, spelled without the H. That was actually from John Whitmer. So, the complaint, the proposed fraud, saying that, “Ah, the Brazilian guy has just copied the Hofmann forgery.”  There just wasn’t enough research done there. What they had was, they had that Caracters document that had some characters on it. They compared that to what Mauricio, apparently, provided at one time, and I don’t even have that myself. Not only were those characters on it, but some other characters were on it. Then, you look at the Hofmann forgeries, and those other characters are on the other Hofmann forgery. So they said, “Aha, he just copied the Hofmann forgery. That’s the whole [argument.]

GT:  So, let me make sure I understand what you’re saying. So, you’re saying that this document that was sent to Missouri was a combination of the Caracters document as well as the Hofmann forgery? Is that what you’re saying?

John:  No, I’m not. I’ll say it again. I’m saying that the characters–I just have to change it a little bit, and then it’ll be true, you were very close. The characters that Mauricio provided, some of which were on the Caracters document, and others were on the Hofmann forgery. So, people assumed that Hofmann used the real characters and just made up some other characters, and then that, “Oh, Mauricio is using those made-up characters. So, that would prove that he copied the Hofmann. But Hofmann was a much better forger than that.  He didn’t just make up characters.

John:  As the man you interviewed before said, there’s at least four sets of papers that had characters on them, known: the Charles Anthon one, the John Whitmer one, he had–I think he said three or four.  There’s three or four original sources. Hofmann knew about all of those sources. So, in other words, the characters that Hofmann used were mostly correct. They’re real characters and Mauricio knew about, not only the ones on the Caracters document, but some of those. So, now, how do you know whether Mauricio copied Hofmann or whether they both made copies of the real thing.  Here’s the answer. Hofmann confessed at the end on how he did it. I think what he did was really clever. He said, “Look.” He knows. He has these four documents. He’s taking characters off of, and he’s going to produce his forgery. He’s going to want to make it convincing that his was actually more authentic than the other ones. So, he says that he added some little extra seraphs. You know what seraphs are: the little extra things that aren’t part of the letter, sans seraph and seraph.

What do you think of his explanation?  Check out our conversation….

John Pratt tells why he disputes Hofmann forgery accusations.

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590:  Brazil Golden Plates

589:  John Pratt’s Spiritual Journey

588:  Dating Problems with First Vision

587:  Dating First Vision

586:  Dating Christ’s Birth