We’re continuing our discussion of the Mormon settlement in Zodiac, Texas. Historian Melvin Johnson describes reading the registers from RLDS Archives that document the many temple ordinances that were completed. He also told me that there was more than one Endowment House in Utah!
GT : Oh, 1874, so, essentially, what we’re saying here is between 1846 and 1874, at least in the LDS church, there was no temple to do this. But they would do some of these ordinances outside the temple, on a case by case basis, essentially.
Mel: Correct, and then, of course, the Endowment House was built to be a bridge between that and when the temples came online. Orson Hyde was very jealous of that, so he had an endowment house built down in Sanpete County.
GT: Oh, wow. I didn’t know that.
Mel: Yeah, there were a number of them. And maybe the Endowment House was built earlier than what I think and I need to look at that…
He also discusses a recent forgery on the Zodiac Temple.
Mel: There is a forgery called Zodiac Temple records, Rituals and Rites by John Hawley. It’s 32 pages written of these supposed rites and rituals in the Zodiac Temple. One: John Hawley was not the clerk of the temple. His brother-in-law, John Young was. And secondly, Zodiac was like Kirtland and Nauvoo and early Utah, in that all of the ritual and rites ceremony was oral. It was not written down until 1874 for the opening of the St. George temple.
Does it have ties to Mark Hofmann? Check out our conversation….
Joseph Smith wrote Article of Faith 8: “We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.” But has anyone ever identified these errors? BYU professor Dr. Thomas Wayment has identified known biblical errors, such as this one!
Thom: 1st John 5:7, that verse is forged in our Bible. When you go to Sunday School and you read 1st John 5:7, there is no scholar on the planet, I believe that would say that verse is original. We know when it’s forged. We know why it’s forged and so that’s comes out.
GT: See, I’ve done a lot of Mark Hofmann stuff. So, this is fascinating to me. So tell me about that. What does the verse say and why do you say it is forged?
Thom: It’s a trinitarian verse, and what I mean by that is it says that there is God the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And so, the verse is forged, and I should have looked up the exact date on this.* But, we know exactly the century when this happens. There’s no manuscript prior to that. And when it happens, we believe it’s probably written in the margin at first, like “This is what this means,” or something and somebody migrates that into the text. So, in our King James [Bible], it’s a fascinating story how we have it. The person who put together the Greek text for our King James Bible went to his local ecclesiastical leaders and said, “This verse isn’t in my manuscripts.” And they produce a manuscript for him that has it, that’s a forgery itself. And say, “You better put this in.” We are confident this is a forged verse.
This is going to be a very cool conversation. We’ll talk about biblical errors known by scholars, and which versions of the Bible are the best. This is a conversation you won’t want to miss! Check out our conversation….
Check out our other conversations with Dr. Thomas Wayment!
I’m really excited to introduce Dorie Olds. You may know her more famous ex-husband, Mark Hofmann, the famous forger/murderer. In this first episode we’ll talk about how Mark manipulated her in Hofmann’s Anthon forgery. Check out our conversation!
Dorie: And he brought a book. He brought a Bible and he said to me, “Well look in this Bible.” And it’s like, “Here, look through this,” or “Look through this thing.”
And I remember thinking, “Well, I’m tired. I’m back home from work. I’m tired. I don’t really want to do that.” And I kind of put it aside. And, I remember having this funny feeling. Why do you want me to do this? Because it was like he was really insistent.
“Will you look through this?”
And so I did look through this and there in the pages was a thing that was stuck. Part of me was like, “Wow, there’s something in here.” And part of me was like, “I have a funny feeling about this. Something’s going on that I don’t understand,” in the process of that. I went to him and said, “There’s something stuck in here.”
And he’s like, “Oh, what a surprise! I wonder what that is!” You know? And of course, he’d set that up so that he’d put it in there so I would find it. I would be the provenance. It wouldn’t be him. It would be something that could be documented that in a way he had nothing to do with it because he didn’t find it. I found it, and he had just handed me this book. So that’s the story of how that [came about.] It was the Anthon Transcript and those symbols that were in there. That was glued inside. And then he took them out and he took it from there. And I was the provenance for that. I was his. He was using me to be the provenance of that story.
I also asked how Dorie met Mark?
Dorie: I was attending Utah State University. I had gone to Dixie College for two years. And then moved up to Logan and was going to do two more years there. And in the apartment complex where I lived, he lived upstairs. So I was on the second level, I think he was on third level. And so that’s how I got to know him was he lived in the same apartment complex.
GT: Ok, you didn’t have any same classes together or anything like that?
Dorie: No, I didn’t have any classes together. I didn’t know this initially, but he had broken up with his [girlfriend.] He had gotten engaged and had broken up right before school started with this woman that he was engaged to and she would come up and they would sit in, I think it was her car, sit in her car and make out and I’d watch them make out.
Dorie: So, I don’t know. It wasn’t anything that was impressed. That was the first thing was, who’s that guy and what are they doing? And how ridiculous. And you know, it wasn’t any like love at first sight. No! Or to be together. It was none of that. That took time to go to that place.
GT: So he broke up with this other woman, and then you started dating? Is there any memorable dates?
Check out her answers! You may also be interested to hear Curt Bench’s recollections of Mark Hofmann!