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Uniquely Mormon Marriage Theology (Part 5 of 6)

Mormons have a unique theology concerning marriage.  Doctrine & Covenants 132 is a revelation to Joseph Smith stating a man can have multiple wives.  On the other hand, the Book of Mormon states that a man should have just one wife. Polygamy expert Anne Wilde and Christ’s Church apostle David Patrick will talk about these scriptures and more fully explain their beliefs that polygamy is a celestial principle.

David:  The very next Section is section 131. And it reads verse one, “In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees. And in order to obtain the highest A man must enter into the order of the priesthood meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. And if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into another, but that is the end of his kingdom. He cannot have in an increase.” So, there’s a law, you live the law, you get the blessing. What is the blessing the celestial kingdom? One of the rules is you’ve got to be married. And so, Mormon doctrine in itself basically says an unmarried Jesus wouldn’t make it into the Celestial Kingdom.

Do you think Jesus was required to be married?  Check out our conversation….

David Patrick explains Mormon theology requires Jesus to be married in order to get into the Celestial Kingdom. Do you agree?

Don’t miss our other episodes with David and Anne!

344:  “There is No Marriage in Heaven”

343:  Evangelical Arguments about Marriage in Heaven

342: Was Jesus the Groom at Wedding at Cana?

341: Making the Case that Jesus Was Married

 

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Early Priesthood 1829-1835 (Part 3 of 4)

What was early priesthood like in 1830?  Michael Quinn has said there are three different dates for the restoration of the Melchizedek: 1829, 1830, and 1831.  I asked Michael Marquardt to weigh in on the issue of early priesthood.

Michael:  The high priesthood was like the office of high priest. So an elder, if you go backwards, would be an elder in the church and according to the Articles and Covenants. An elder is an apostle. An apostle is an elder. So just like any organization, there’s a development over time.

GT: So if I remember right, there were only three offices when the church was organized on April 6, 1830: teacher, priest, and elder. And so, there’s a question as to whether elder was part of the Aaronic priesthood or the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Michael: Yeah. There was no priesthood at that time.

GT: It was just “the priesthood.”

Michael: There was no priesthood.

GT:  There was no priesthood?

Michael:  No, it was an office in the church.

Check out our conversation….

What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?
What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?

And check out our other conversations with Michael!

263: Who Were Original 6 in 1830?

262: Church Founded in Manchester (Not Fayette)

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Breaking Sealings: Who has the Power?

In a previous conversation with Dr. Bill Smith, we talked about how polygamous sealings were considered nearly permanent.  There are cases in which those can be broken.  After Joseph Smith died, Brigham Young claimed sole possession of the sealing power. Many apostles disagreed. How did it get resolved? Dr. Bill Smith explains in this interview. Does more than one man hold the sealing keys? And who is in charge of breaking sealings?  Is it just one man, or are there several people who can do it?

Bill:  I think that—opinions sort of vary with this but Brigham Young’s divorces where a sealing was involved, I think Brigham Young’s divorces that he granted were taken as dissolving the sealing.

GT:  Theological?  Ok.

Bill:  Which is in perfect harmony with the idea that sealing.  You could do it and you could undo it.

GT:  As prophet he had power to loose.

Bill: Yes, so that’s another big point in the discussion of the book is that in the revelation it’s very clear that only one person at a time has this authority to decide you can be sealed, you can’t be.  Or, you can engage in polygamy, you can’t, kind of thing.  This has all evolved onto a single person.  It even says historically, this is the way it has always been.  I don’t know how serious to take that, but it supports the idea that it’s really a one-man job.  So, who has the authority to decide?  This is a huge issue in succession.  Because obviously the guy who has this one-man authority is the guy to be in charge, right?

At one point, Joseph tries to separate his church presidency from his temple priest position as the one guy.  People don’t like this.  They are worried about it.  They don’t want to accept Hyrum as the church president and Joseph as saying.  Unfortunately, he is addressing a group, a very small group who is acquainted with his temple theology.  The people who aren’t are really upset by this.  “We don’t want Hyrum to be the prophet.  You are.”  He can’t be the prophet.

So, he takes it all back that afternoon.  But yes, he is really speaking to this idea of where things are, and I can’t go into the background here, but his sort of presidency of the High Priesthood sort of vaults him into the position of the one guy.  So, after he has died, after he is dead, the apostles weren’t in that tradition of High Priesthood. They weren’t in there at all.  They try to write themselves in at first, and then they say you can’t really do that.  It doesn’t work.  So, we have to a new tradition about this.

Is adultery grounds for breaking sealings?

Bill:  Adultery is a really touchy point within the revelation.  It’s a little bit confused.  Also, the whole thing is tied up in this idea where I mention in Matthew about the binding and loosing thing.  That is sort of Mark Staker’s thing about Peter, James, and John.  That’s connected in there.  So, the text is not perfectly clear.  That’s another point I try to make about the revelation.

Check out our conversation…..

After Joseph Smith died, Brigham Young claimed only he held the sealing power. Many apostles disagreed. Bill Smith tells how the issue was settled.