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More than 116 Pages Lost? (Part 4 of 12)

The lost pages of the Book of Mormon are known as the lost 116 pages.  Historian Don Bradley thinks the actual number of pages lost could be two to three times that amount!  How does he come to that conclusion?  He’ll answer that question in our next conversation.

Don:  So one of my sources on the length of these pages, is the ancestor of one of our living apostles. At a stake conference in Provo, on April 6, 1856, a man named Emer Harris spoke about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and he talked about the lost 116 pages. He says explicitly some of what was in those pages, which is in my chapter 14, on the story of Mosiah and the Mulekites.  He talks more about Mulekites and he also says something about the length of the lost manuscript. He says–oh, and the living apostle is Dallin Harris Oaks. Most people don’t know that’s what the H stands for. But it is.  He’s, I believe, a great, great, great grandson of Emer Harris.

GT:  So how’s Emer related to Martin?

Don:  Oh, did I not mention it? He’s his brother.

Don:  As historians, we create models of the past, and the model that can explain the most data in the simplest way is the best model. So what I’m doing here in describing the evidence for the manuscript length, and I end up arguing, but it’s like over 200, and maybe even up to around 300, well actually possibly more, but maybe nearly 300 pages, maybe 250.

Check out our conversation….

Don Bradley thinks the number of pages lost may be 2-3 times larger than 116!

Don’t miss our previous episodes with Don!

356: How Much of BoM is Missing?

355: Re-Writing Oliver’s Words: Dirty, Nasty, Filthy Scrape?

354: Dating Fanny Alger

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What was Missing on Lost Pages of Book of Mormon? (Part 3 of 12)

What was on the lost pages of the Book of Mormon? Historian Don Bradley has been wondering this ever since he was in primary!

Don:  Since primary, yeah.   I think I was ten.  I was in South Bend, Indiana Ward where Notre Dame is, and Mike Standiford was my primary teacher, Blazer A. We did a unit on Church History on the Presidents of the Church. Somewhere I even got coloring sheets that were stapled together into a little book. I need to find where that’s at.  It shows Joseph Smith and Martin Harris and it tells the story of the lost pages. I remember being there in that primary class and thinking, “We’re missing part of the Book of Mormon?  What was in it?”  Because like if you grow up a Latter-day Saint, how foundational is the Book of Mormon?

Only absolutely foundational, right? As a child, you’re going to hear more about the Book of Mormon than anything and how foundational it is.  So, the idea that there was a big part of it that we didn’t have, nobody even talked about what was in it.  This was just wild to me. I think that when we encounter a funny idea, and then we encounter it over and over and over again, it ceases to become funny to us. We just get sort of inured to it.  We get used to it. That’s, I think, what has mostly happened or to a good extent has happened to us as a Latter-day Saint culture is we’re so used to the idea that part of our foundational scripture is missing, that we didn’t even give it much thought.  Isn’t that kind of weird that we’re missing? In fact, you know what part we’re missing. We’re missing the first part. We’re missing the original first part of the Book of Mormon.

Don has found clues not only in the Book of Mormon, but in various accounts of Joseph’s friends and relatives.  Check out our conversation….

Historian Don Bradley describes more about the Lost 116 pages of the Book of Mormon.

Don’t miss our other episodes where Don discusses his research on the Fanny Alger relationship with Joseph Smith!

355: Re-Writing Oliver’s Words: Dirty, Nasty, Filthy Scrape?

354: Dating Fanny Alger

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Early Priesthood 1829-1835 (Part 3 of 4)

What was early priesthood like in 1830?  Michael Quinn has said there are three different dates for the restoration of the Melchizedek: 1829, 1830, and 1831.  I asked Michael Marquardt to weigh in on the issue of early priesthood.

Michael:  The high priesthood was like the office of high priest. So an elder, if you go backwards, would be an elder in the church and according to the Articles and Covenants. An elder is an apostle. An apostle is an elder. So just like any organization, there’s a development over time.

GT: So if I remember right, there were only three offices when the church was organized on April 6, 1830: teacher, priest, and elder. And so, there’s a question as to whether elder was part of the Aaronic priesthood or the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Michael: Yeah. There was no priesthood at that time.

GT: It was just “the priesthood.”

Michael: There was no priesthood.

GT:  There was no priesthood?

Michael:  No, it was an office in the church.

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What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?
What was early priesthood like between 1829-1835 in the Church?

And check out our other conversations with Michael!

263: Who Were Original 6 in 1830?

262: Church Founded in Manchester (Not Fayette)