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Anne’s Marriage – Was Jesus a Polygamist?

I’m excited to talk to Anne Wilde about her own polygamist marriage to Ogden Kraut.  She was the second wife of Ogden.   We’ll get to know a little bit more about Anne.

Anne:  I was born and raised in the LDS Church.  I’m very happy in it.  I went to BYU on a scholarship, graduated in it with honors.  I year after I graduated, I married in monogamy to Ted Wilde, was married in the temple.  I was married for nine years but during that nine years I realized there had been a lot of changes made in the church.  The two of us, he was very intelligent, a researcher, a scholar, not an author but knew a lot about the history of the church, so I learned a lot of that from him and then a lot of friends that he had.

One of those friends was Ogden Kraut and so when the marriage didn’t work out a year later, I became Ogden’s second wife.  I was married to him for 33 years and he died in 2002, 15 years ago.  We had a really happy marriage, got along really well.

It was interesting to learn that Anne helped Ogden write many books.  One of them detailed the fact that Jesus was married!

Anne:  When Jesus Was Married came out in 1969, it was in February of ’69.  That was Ogden’s first book, and he knew that Joseph F. Smith was president of the Quorum of Twelve at that time.  He knew his belief that Jesus was married, so as soon as the book came out of the binder, we took the first copy up to Joseph Fielding Smith and got right in.  The secretary at that time, you know you could walk right in practically and see a general authority.  The office door was wide open.  Here was the receptionist, she motioned us in.

We’ll also talk a little bit about Jesus.  Anne says he was a polygamist!  We’ll discuss what scriptures she uses to come to that conclusion.  Do you agree with Anne?  Don’t forget to check out on our other conversations with Anne!)  Check out our conversation…..

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Ervil LeBaron: Polygamist, Assassin

We’re continuing our discussion with polygamy expert Anne Wilde. We’ll talk about the infamous Ervil LeBaron: a polygamist and an assassin.  He was responsible of the deaths not only of his own brother, but other leaders such as the Apostolic United Brethren’s Rulon Allred.

Anne:  He is responsible for killing or the death of about 20 people, and I know that because I knew some of them.  Ogden[1] was introduced to him one time under a fictitious name and so we went out to a meeting and thought this was this guy’s name, Stilson, and lo and behold shortly after that we saw a picture, “Wanted: Ervil LeBaron” but was a picture of this guy that we had met.  He even stayed in my home under that other name.  Then when I found out who he was, I was a little concerned, but fortunately I didn’t know who he was at the time he stayed in my home.

[1] Anne was the second wife of polygamist Ogden Kraut.

Before we get to that,  She’s a polygamy expert, and we’re going to talk more about some of the smaller polygamist groups, such as the Kingston group and Harmston group.

GT:  Would it be safe to say that the AUB is probably the biggest group now?

Anne:  It is.

GT:  It’s probably about 7500.

Anne:  It’s the biggest one that’s in unity or in one name or whatever….  Don’t forget the independents!  That’s what I am.  I consider myself an independent fundamentalist Mormon and that’s because I do not belong to any other organized groups.  There’s about 12-15000, but they aren’t a group.

GT:  Oh so they’re the biggest.

Anne:  But they aren’t a group.  There are a lot that believe in keeping these eternal principles alive, not just plural marriage but others as well, as best as they can amongst the families.  They just don’t feel impressed, and I don’t, to join and be baptized into any of the groups.

You might want to brush up on the AUB, FLDS & Centennial Park too.  Check out our conversation…..

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FLDS-Centennial Park Rivalry

We’re continuing our conversation with Anne Wilde.  She’s a modern-day polygamy expert.  In this next conversation we’ll talk about the FLDS Church.  Many of you are probably familiar with them and their prophet Warren Jeffs who is currently serving time in a Texas prison.  We’ll also talk about another group called Centennial Park.  These two groups:  FLDS-Centennial Park are closely related and are actually neighbors in their community.

Anne:  Centennial Park, they now have about 2,000 members, they separated from the other main [group]—they weren’t even called FLDS until after Centennial Park separated.  So that’s why they don’t like to say, “oh we separated from the FLDS,” because it wasn’t even called the FLDS at the time they separated, but technically you get the picture.

GT:  Ok, so Centennial Park really was the one that came out and FLDS separated from them?

Anne:  Well that’s what Centennial Park might say, then FLDS would say the other.  It’s whoever you’re talking to.  In other words, they separated.  Two of the members of the priesthood council in Colorado City started the priesthood council that became Centennial Park.  Many of them started a new community another mile or two south there in Arizona, and many of the Centennial Park people had homes in Colorado City/Hilldale, so they stayed there.  They are there to this day but they are considered the Centennial Park group.

Did you know there is quite some animosity between these groups?

I have no idea what the population is of the followers of Warren Jeffs or even those that live in the town.  I guess you could find out what the population is in town by talking to the mayors of Colorado City and then the mayor of Hilldale, but it’s just really in a sad state of affairs.

GT:  Ok, so just ballpark.  Do you think it’s one half of what it used to be?

Anne:  I couldn’t even begin to tell you.  I did read an article in the paper.  They interviewed one of the former members of Warren Jeffs group and she said that she felt there were more members ex-FLDS than there were followers of Warren Jeffs oe FLDS.

GT:  Have they joined with other groups like Centennial Park?

Anne:  No.  Oh no, they will not join the Centennial Park, unless it’s a very rare occasion.  Centennial Park has been there to help their teenagers.  They’ve offered their homes, opened them up if they needed a place to stay, but to followers of Warren, that’s the enemy because they broke away from, in their idea, from their priesthood so they don’t have priesthood.  They are apostates.  They consider Centennial Park, “the enemy”, whereas Centennial Park has opened up their homes if they would take advantage of it.

We’ll also talk about black polygamists.  Is there such a thing?

GT:  Ok, I’ve also heard regarding the FLDS and let’s throw the AUB in that and Centennial Park in there as well, we have the 1978 revelation of opening the priesthood to all male members of the church.  Is it true that the FLDS don’t recognize that revelation?  They still believe a lot of the old Curse of Cain, Curse of Ham doctrines?

Anne:  That’s a tough question to answer for some other group.  I can’t answer for FLDS or Allreds.  I think generally speaking, this is really general, fundamentalist Mormons do not believe that the time has come for the black race to receive the priesthood…

Don’t forget to check out our conversation about the AUB group.  Check out our conversation…..