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Evangelical Arguments about Marriage in Heaven (Part 3 of 6)

While modern novels like the DaVinci Code make the case that Jesus was married.  I asked what might have happened to the family of Jesus.

Anne:  Joseph of Arimathea, who was the great uncle of Christ, the uncle of his mother Mary, took his immediate family, which could include his mother. It definitely included her and any wives or children that he might have had. He took the immediate family. And that’s where you get these stories of them taking a boat, and some say it was even set adrift without oars. But the other one was it Joseph of Arimathea was going to protect and save this family. So he took him to England, on the way he went through other countries. So that would explain the answer to your question. They were not around. They were being protected.

David: There are legends that Christ was in other places.

GT: We have The Da Vinci Code.

David: Right.

Anne:Yeah.

GT:  Did he go to France?

Anne: Yes, it was Gaul at the time. And yes, he definitely went there.

However, most Christians balk at the idea that Jesus was married, and even fewer accept the Da Vinci Code novel.  I’m going to channel my inner evangelical and try to push back on this idea that Jesus was married.  Apostle David Patrick from Christ’s Church, and polygamy expert Anne Wilde will respond to arguments questioning why we should even consider Jesus to be married.   We will also talk about modern scholarship that has uncovered the Gospel of Jesus’ Wife! 

David:  In 2012 Karen King, she is a very high ranking scholar at Harvard Divinity School, and she ends up receiving this papyrus. And the person who owns it wanted to remain anonymous. But he said, you should review this and go through it and so she presents this in Rome, among her peers. And she they call it the Gospel of Jesus’ Wife. And so it’s this little papyrus about this big [about the size of a credit card.]

Let me read the words that they found in it so that I get it exactly right. It says, “Jesus said to them, my wife.” And then the next line says, “she will be able to be my disciple.” And so they get this and it’s like the first time anybody has any discussion about Jesus being actually married, and uses the word wife. And when they did the research on this, of course, right after she comes out with this, some of the Vatican newspapers come out and say, “Well, it must be a fake. It must be a forgery.” It must be inaccurate, right? So they did all their tests upon the papyrus that they found to determine if it was forged or not. And of course, the person that gave it to him want to remain anonymous, so that’s suspicious. And so the provenance or the origin story is pretty weak on where this came from. But they tested it, and it doesn’t appear to be inaccurate. And the papyrus appears to be from about 700 to 800 A.D. So it’s old.

GT: So it’s at least 700 years after Jesus lived, though.

David:  That’s right. So it was it wouldn’t have been contemporary with his his time, but it shows is people were talking about it. And that’s interesting. Conclusive? No. Interesting? Yes.

Check out our conversation….

The Da Vinci Code claims the family of Jesus moved to France. What do David Patrick and Anne Wilde think of that?

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Was Jesus the Groom at Wedding at Cana?

The Wedding at Cana is the scene of the first miracle of Jesus where he turns water to wine.  David Patrick is an apostle of Christ’s Church and Anne Wilde is a polygamy expert.  They make the case that this wedding Jesus attended is his own wedding.  Who did he marry?  What scriptures lead them to believe this is Jesus’ own wedding?

Anne:  [Jesus] did not live in Cana. So this was not at their home. They lived in Nazareth at the time, or at least Mary did. Then she came over from them. And then it says that shortly after the marriage, in Cana, he went to Capernaum. Well, on the way over there, you have to go through Magdala. You go through Tiberius. Magdala and Copernaum are on the Sea of Galilee. Magdala was where Mary Magdalene was from. And in our study and research, we’ve come to the conclusion that Mary Magdalene was one of his wives. Whether or not that was her wedding to Jesus or Martha and Mary, who we also believe were his wives. We don’t really know who the bride was at this time. Joseph F. Smith said he thought it was Mary and Martha at that wedding.

GT:  So Jesus was marrying both of the sisters?

Anne: Yes, at the same time. That was Joseph F. Smith, that’s the sixth president of the church. That was his statement.

David:  If you go into the Jewish Encyclopedia, you can also see that. What is the groom’s family in charge of? What are they responsible for? The wine and the meat. And so all of a sudden now with the groom’s family meaning Jesus, fulfilling the Jewish responsibility to provide the wine. So yeah, these are not explicitly saying Jesus was married. I consider them Bible clues. And as we cruise through the Bible, we’re going to find these words little tidbits and clues, but it’s never going to outright say it.

What do you make of Anne and David’s conclusions?  Check out our conversation….

Polygamy experts Anne Wilde & David Patrick make a circumstantial case that Jesus married Mary at Cana.

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341: Making the Case that Jesus Was Married

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Making the Case that Jesus was Married (Part 1 of 6)

In 1969, Ogden Kraut published the book, Jesus Was Married.  In celebration of the 50th anniversary of the book, we’re sitting down with Anne Wilde and David Patrick.  Anne was Ogden’s second wife and typed up the manuscript for Jesus Was Married.  She believes Jesus was the groom at the Wedding at Cana.

Anne:  If you know Jewish tradition very well, you understand that the parents are the ones who arranged a marriage.  They are the hosts of the marriage.  So it was very common for a mother or a father of the bridegroom to make sure everything went smoothly.  So when Mary went to Jesus and said about the wine, why would she do that unless she was the mother, or the parent of whoever was getting married?

I’d also like to introduce David Patrick, an apostle for Christ’s Church (The Righteous Branch.)

David:  My name is David Patrick and I am a member of Christ’s Church, also known as The Branch.  We have members in Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and a few other states, but we are a small group.  We have been active as a faith since 1978, though I have not been involved with that since that time.  We go around doing various firesides and talks.  The subject matter of Jesus was married, or was Jesus married?

In April of 1978, Gerald Peterson Sr. was requested of the Lord to organize a new church.  That was April.  Then you’ve got proliferation from that time of its membership.  It’s ebbed and it’s flowed in its membership over that time.  That’s over 40 years ago now.

What do you think about these claims that Jesus was married?  Do you agree?  Check out our conversation….

It’s been 50 years since Ogden Kraut published the book “Jesus Was Married.” Anne Wilde reflects on helping her past husband write the book.

 

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