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Hofmann’s Anthon Forgery (Part 1)

I’m really excited to introduce Dorie Olds.  You may know her more famous ex-husband, Mark Hofmann, the famous forger/murderer.  In this first episode we’ll talk about how Mark manipulated her in Hofmann’s Anthon forgery.  Check out our conversation!

Dorie: And he brought a book. He brought a Bible and he said to me, “Well look in this Bible.” And it’s like, “Here, look through this,” or “Look through this thing.”

And I remember thinking, “Well, I’m tired. I’m back home from work. I’m tired. I don’t really want to do that.” And I kind of put it aside. And, I remember having this funny feeling. Why do you want me to do this? Because it was like he was really insistent.

“Will you look through this?”

And so I did look through this and there in the pages was a thing that was stuck. Part of me was like, “Wow, there’s something in here.” And part of me was like, “I have a funny feeling about this. Something’s going on that I don’t understand,” in the process of that. I went to him and said, “There’s something stuck in here.”

And he’s like, “Oh, what a surprise! I wonder what that is!” You know? And of course, he’d set that up so that he’d put it in there so I would find it. I would be the provenance. It wouldn’t be him. It would be something that could be documented that in a way he had nothing to do with it because he didn’t find it. I found it, and he had just handed me this book. So that’s the story of how that [came about.] It was the Anthon Transcript and those symbols that were in there. That was glued inside. And then he took them out and he took it from there. And I was the provenance for that. I was his. He was using me to be the provenance of that story.

I also asked how Dorie met Mark?

Dorie: I was attending Utah State University. I had gone to Dixie College for two years. And then moved up to Logan and was going to do two more years there. And in the apartment complex where I lived, he lived upstairs. So I was on the second level, I think he was on third level. And so that’s how I got to know him was he lived in the same apartment complex.

GT: Ok, you didn’t have any same classes together or anything like that?

Dorie: No, I didn’t have any classes together. I didn’t know this initially, but he had broken up with his [girlfriend.] He had gotten engaged and had broken up right before school started with this woman that he was engaged to and she would come up and they would sit in, I think it was her car, sit in her car and make out and I’d watch them make out.

GT: Really?

Dorie: So, I don’t know. It wasn’t anything that was impressed. That was the first thing was, who’s that guy and what are they doing? And how ridiculous. And you know, it wasn’t any like love at first sight. No! Or to be together. It was none of that. That took time to go to that place.

GT: So he broke up with this other woman, and then you started dating? Is there any memorable dates?

Check out her answers!  You may also be interested to hear Curt Bench’s recollections of Mark Hofmann!

Dorie Olds tells how Mark used her to add credibility to Hofmann's Anthon forgery.
Dorie Olds tells how Mark used her to add credibility to Hofmann’s Anthon forgery.

042: Hofmann Bombings Effects on Mormon History (Bench)

041: Should LDS Leaders have Detected Hofmann’s Fraud? (Bench)

040: Curt Bench’s role in Hofmann Bombings Court Case (Bench)

039: Bomb Day 2:  Other Targets? – Oct 16, 1985 (Bench)

038: Bomb Day 1:  2 Killed – October 15, 1985 (Bench)

037: White Salamander Letter & Other Forgeries (Bench)

036: Bombs in Salt Lake: Introduction to Mark Hofmann (interview with Curt Bench)

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Feminist Favorites (Part 5)

In our final conversation with Sara Hanks and Dr. Nancy Ross, I’ll ask them what their feminist favorite essays were.

Check out our conversation, as well as our previous conversations!  What are your favorite essays?

What were Nancy and Sara's favorite essays from the book?
What were Nancy and Sara’s favorite essays from the book?

210:  Must Women Be Ordained? (Ross-Hanks)

209: The F-word: Feminism (Ross-Hanks)

208: Nancy & Sara’s Spiritual Journey (Ross-Hanks)

207: Mormon Feminist Successes & Setbacks (Ross-Hanks)

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Must Women Be Ordained? (Part 4)

Early Mormon women blessed by laying on of hands.  If the practice returned, would that be good enough for the Ordain Women movement, or do they require ordination?  Must women be ordained?  Nancy Ross and Sara Hanks answer that question.

GT: Are you still a member of Ordain Women?

Nancy: I mean, I still have a profile of a website, and I’m still supportive of the organization.

GT: And you’re being ordained this Sunday [July 29] anyway.

Nancy:  That’s right.

Sara: Ordained woman.

Nancy: Yes, Ordain Women! We’re doing it.

GT: You’re going to be ordained. My question is actually two questions. Number one, what if in say October General Conference, President Nelson got up and said, “Okay, we’re going to go back to the idea that women can lay hands on the sick like they used to do even into the early 20th century. Would that be good enough for Ordain Women? Or, do you think that women still need to be ordained to priesthood office?

Nancy:  Do you want to comment?

Sara:  I would say nothing less than full inclusion and full opportunity for every member of the church would be quote unquote sufficient. Any step in the direction of progress on any subject, in any community is great. Any step. Great.

GT:  So you would welcome the laying on of hands.

Sara: Oh, I would welcome that completely. I would be so excited about that. I mean I would be overjoyed. But in terms of Ordain Women as an organization, I think they chose their name very specifically. It’s Ordain Women, not like give women–I mean, it would be a very long name, but it’s not like Give Women More Opportunities. It’s Ordain Women.

LDS women out there–would you like to be ordained, or are you happy with the status quo?  Check out our conversation, as well as our previous conversations!

Do LDS women want more opportunities, or must they be ordained? Nancy Ross & Sara Hanks answer that question.
Do LDS women want more opportunities, or must they be ordained? Nancy Ross & Sara Hanks answer that question.

 

209: The F-word: Feminism

208: Nancy & Sara’s Spiritual Journey (Ross-Hanks)

207: Mormon Feminist Successes & Setbacks (Ross-Hanks)